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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    No Lyon wasn't on the radar. I don't know if he'd even played a Shield game yet. Lyon was picked for 2011 tour of Sri Lanka basically out of the T20 Bash. Was a pretty random selection.

    You might be right about Hauritz. He hadn't been terrible but tye selectors were tired of his mediocrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I'm pretty sure he was keeping Lyon out of the side. Either that or it was Hauritz, who had impressed to that point.
    And O'Keefe was dominating at Shield level at the time as well. And he was a left-armer too and a better batsman to boot. I have plenty of doubts of how well he'd have fared but he'd have been a lot better than Doherty!
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    I just remember that Doherty was basically the 4th best choice, if that

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I just remember that Doherty was basically the 4th best choice, if that
    He destroyed the little Sri Lankans leading up to that Ashes series tbh


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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    And O'Keefe was dominating at Shield level at the time as well. And he was a left-armer too and a better batsman to boot. I have plenty of doubts of how well he'd have fared but he'd have been a lot better than Doherty!
    SOK not being picked in that post-Warne was ridiculous. Every other spinner averaging 40-50 in the Shield was given a chance, but not the bloke averaging low-20s and who was the best batsman of all of them! It wasn't talked about enough in the media at the time. I never got why people just accepted it.

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    O'Keefe was being kept out of the NSW Shield side by Hauritz, who himself barely got a bowl because of the NSW pace attack. The Mark Cameron 11 for 52 game is a good example of that.

    Doherty still a poor selection though, seemed to be picked primarily on the basis of a couple of good 50 over games
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gob View Post
    Remember picking Xavier Doherty to get KP out and KP going on to get a double.

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    Even though it was O'Keefe who bowled Pietersen in the warm up game whilst taking 4/88 and scoring 66.

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    Didn't the English in that series put out word SOK bowled straight, flat pies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Normally I wouldn't advocate for picking a bowler to get a specific batsman but picking a guy to specifically get Smith is basically like picking someone to dismiss half of Australia.
    Leach in for Moeen would be the way to go anyway now tbh, it's an added bonus that he happens to be the type of bowler that Smith might ​be vaguely fallible against
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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Didn't the English in that series put out word SOK bowled straight, flat pies?
    sounds about spot on tbh

    Still his straight flat pies were far better than anything else Aus had to offer in that period. I still genuinely think if SOK was stuck with instead of Lyon when he came in, SOK would have as good, or even a better, career than Lyon.

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    Smith's strength is his trigger movement when the bowler is about to deliver the ball.The one advantage with this movement for him is that his leg side play gets stronger and offside play gets weaker at this point of time. Also he would be in a position where his body balance w.r.t offside stroke play too gets a bit weaker at that instinct of time.To exploit this weakness bowlers need to adjust their line and length at the last moment. Unfortunately there are not that many out and out non Australian fast bowlers who are able to adjust at the last moment like Mcgrath,Ambrose,Wasim etc etc now a days other than perhaps SAF bowlers fast & 'Bumrah to some extend' .
    The line and length for such trigger movement is 4rth ,5th stump good length moving away ball. This is why left armers has been more effective against Smith. A left arm prodigious swing bowler who can alter his line and length at the last minute is a very good option against him. Also left arm spinners too has been fairly successful against him. Herath has been his nemesis. Maharaj,Elgar,Taijul Islam,Shakib, Jadeja ,Ojha all has had fair success against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    sounds about spot on tbh

    Still his straight flat pies were far better than anything else Aus had to offer in that period. I still genuinely think if SOK was stuck with instead of Lyon when he came in, SOK would have as good, or even a better, career than Lyon.
    Looks like the Poms suckered us into not selecting him, though I hear he wasn't ever a favourite among administrators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    though I hear he wasn't ever a favourite among administrators.
    haha yeah that seems pretty evident in hindsight. Farcical that he didn't play during that period

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    Consult a psychiatrist. Looks like he suffers from ocd.
    This guy is totally obsessed with batting, so much so that he has played each and every ball 1000 times in his imagination

    There isn't any easy way to get him out, he is the new age bradman, need something like bodyline to stop him.

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    Upcoming matches will establish the fact that he is the modern age bradman, you can't stop him by just bowling good lines and lengths.

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