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West Indies 11 vs Australia 11

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THE DON

Cricket Spectator
Australia West Indies
Ponsford Greenidge
Trumper Haynes
Bradman Headly
G.Chapell Iva Richards
A.Border Lara
S.Waugh Lloyd
Gilchrist Walcott
Lindwall Marshall
Lillie Holding
Warne Gibbs
Mcrath Ambrose

My wicket keepers are Walcott and Gilchrist and my wicket keepers and my captains are Waugh and Lloyd. How do you think I can improve my team.
 
Craig

Craig

World Traveller
Clive Walcott as a 'keeper?

It look's a bit unbalanced IMO, with so many batter's, you have a good bowling line-up for WI. Somebody like Jeff Dejon or Derrick Murrary as 'keeper's.

Swap Gilchrist for Rod Marsh.

Take out Lara and put in Sobers, and swap Walcott for a specialist 'keeper.
 
Adamc

Adamc

Cricketer Of The Year
I would be tempted to go with Dujon. As good as Lance Gibbs was, a pace quartet is still a stronger lineup given the Windies' history of fast bowlers. Someone like Walsh or Garner would be ideal. Sobers can't be left out.
 
a massive zebra

a massive zebra

International Captain
Australia

Trumper
Hayden
Bradman (cpt)
G Chappell
Ponting
Gilchrist (wk)
Miller
Lindwall
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath

West Indies

Hunte
Richards (cpt)
Headley
Weekes
Lara
Sobers
Dujon (wk)
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Garner
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
WEST INDIES

Hunte avg (45.1)

Worrell (Capt) (49.5) wkts (69 at 38.7)

Headley (60.8)

Weekes (58.6)

Richards (50.2) (32 at 61.4)

Sobers (57.8) (235 at 34.0)

Dujon (31.9) victims (272 in 81 tests)

Marshall (18.9) (376 at 21.0)

Holding (249 at 23.7)

Gibbs (309 at 29.1)

Ambrose (405 at 21.0)

AUSTRALIA

Trumper, Ponsford, Bradman, Harvey, Chappell G, Miller, Healy (Oldfield) , Warne, Lindwall, Lillee, Grimmett
 
a massive zebra

a massive zebra

International Captain
SJS said:
WEST INDIES

Hunte avg (45.1)

Worrell (Capt) (49.5) wkts (69 at 38.7)

Headley (60.8)

Weekes (58.6)

Richards (50.2) (32 at 61.4)

Sobers (57.8) (235 at 34.0)

Dujon (31.9) victims (272 in 81 tests)

Marshall (18.9) (376 at 21.0)

Holding (249 at 23.7)

Gibbs (309 at 29.1)

Ambrose (405 at 21.0)

AUSTRALIA

Trumper, Ponsford, Bradman, Harvey, Chappell G, Miller, Healy (Oldfield) , Warne, Lindwall, Lillee, Grimmett
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The variety argument is useless if the spinner is not up to it, and although Gibbs was good his strike rate is nearly 90, compared to 50 for Garner. Surely an extra 30 runs from Gilchrist is worth more than 10 more byes saved by Healy or Oldfield? Almost everyone who saw O'Reilly and Grimmett thought O'Reilly was better. What more can you ask of Hayden?
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
a massive zebra said:
The variety argument is useless if the spinner is not up to it, and although Gibbs was good his strike rate is nearly 90, compared to 50 for Garner. Surely an extra 30 runs from Gilchrist is worth more than 10 more byes saved by Healy or Oldfield? Almost everyone who saw O'Reilly and Grimmett thought O'Reilly was better. What more can you ask of Hayden?
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Spinners never have the same strike rate as pacers. The differnce is almost 20-25 balls per wicket. You can check over the entire history of the game. I know Gibbs is not in the all time great spinners list of anyone but we have to choose from west Indies. He would have played for them any time he had played.

I dont think you are right about the wicket keeper. This is a thought process brought about by ODI's. In test matches one has to select the keeper first and then the rest of the team. England tried hard to play a regular keeper inspite of Stewart being available but kept going back to him not because he would score more runs but because the specialist wicketkeeper options werent so great. If Taylor had been playing at the same time as Stewart, the latter wouldnt have kept in a single test match. And this in a batting side like England which wasnt great by any standards.

For Australia we are talking of a side that includes the greatest batsmen Australia has ever produced in Bradman, Trumper, Chappell and Ponsford. No I do not think Gilchrist would find a place just as Walcott doesnt find a place in West Indies inspite of an average of 58 and Les Ames will not be in an all time England eleven.
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
SJS said:
Spinners never have the same strike rate as pacers. The differnce is almost 20-25 balls per wicket. You can check over the entire history of the game. QUOTE]

Here it is. The average strike rate of the top 20 pace bowlers , by wickets taken (sobers not included) is 52.8 while that of the top 20 wicket taking spinners is 69.1 (Sobers again not included) Actually, Murali (58.2) Warne (59.7) and MacGill (55) really show the problem today's batsmen are finding against quality spinners. Otherwise, Benaud 66, Kumble 67, Underwood 70, Bedi 78, Ramadhin 85, Mankad 89, Valentine 88, Titmus 90, Venketraghvan 90 make sure Gibbs 81 is in good company :)
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T

THE DON

Cricket Spectator
How does this new team read.

Greenidge Ponsford
Haynes Trumper
Richards (cpt) Bradman (cpt)
Headley G. Chappel
Lara S. Waugh
Sobers Miller
Dujon Healy
Marshall Lindwall
Holding Lillie
Gibbs Warne
Ambrose Mcrath

It was a very hard choice choosing between Waugh and Border but in the end I went for Waugh. In five match series I would tip Australia to win.
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
THE DON said:
How does this new team read.

Greenidge Ponsford
Haynes Trumper
Richards (cpt) Bradman (cpt)
Headley G. Chappel
Lara S. Waugh
Sobers Miller
Dujon Healy
Marshall Lindwall
Holding Lillie
Gibbs Warne
Ambrose Mcrath

It was a very hard choice choosing between Waugh and Border but in the end I went for Waugh. In five match series I would tip Australia to win.
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Two and a half spinner in 22 players. Bradman would strongly disagree and he carried lot of clout in team selection. Dont you ever expect to play on a wicket that would turn ?
 
Adamc

Adamc

Cricketer Of The Year
SJS said:
Two and a half spinner in 22 players. Bradman would strongly disagree and he carried lot of clout in team selection. Dont you ever expect to play on a wicket that would turn ?
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Bradman, for one, never played a test in India. If these teams were to play at home (i.e. WI in WI, Aus in Aus), I doubt Aus would need more than one spinner and WI wouldn't need any at all. The teams he selected are XI's, not squads. Of course if they expected to encounter spinning conditions they would include spinners in the squad. The fact is that the most successful teams in history achieved their success with either 1 spinner or none, at most 1 + a part-timer.
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Adamc said:
Bradman, for one, never played a test in India. If these teams were to play at home (i.e. WI in WI, Aus in Aus), I doubt Aus would need more than one spinner and WI wouldn't need any at all. The teams he selected are XI's, not squads. Of course if they expected to encounter spinning conditions they would include spinners in the squad. The fact is that the most successful teams in history achieved their success with either 1 spinner or none, at most 1 + a part-timer.
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It is not in India that some of the greatest spinners bowling performances have been but in England. And I disagree about most great teams having just one spinner. Except those that did not have world class spinners. Then , of course, you would not play two, or even one, spinner.
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Bradman, by the way , picked the greatest Ashes teams. Here they are :-

Bradman chose the following teams in batting order:

Australia: Bill Ponsford, Morris, Bradman, Harvey, Macartney, Keith Miller, Don Tallon, Ray Lindwall, Dennis Lillee, Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett. 12th man: Benaud.

England: Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Compton, May, Wally Hammond, Grace, Evans, Fred Trueman, Alec Bedser, Barnes, Hedley Verity. 12th man: Ian Botham.

source :- Bradmans Best Ashes Teams by Roland Perry
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
a massive zebra said:
Surely an extra 30 runs from Gilchrist is worth more than 10 more byes saved by Healy or Oldfield?
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And what about the tough chances that go down?

And it's more like 25 over Healy...
 
roseboy64

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
My West Indies team

Greenidge
Haynes
Headley* (George and Viv are co-captains.)
Richards*
Lara
Sobers
Dujon+
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Walsh

Greenidge and Haynes were the WI best opening partnership.
Headley was the best batsman.Richards great batsman.Lara has most runs and centuries eventually.Sobers was the best allrounder.Dujon was a great 'keeper.Marshall was useful with the bat but more with the ball.Holding had the best action of any pace bowler.Ambrose was a great bowler.Walsh has the most wickets ever by a pace bowler and had longevity.
 
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roseboy64

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
The 3 W's played in that first tied Test with Australia.Worrelll was the captain.They named a trophy after him.
 
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