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    Brian Lara's last 4 significant innings...

    400 not out from 582 balls
    68.73 SR

    115 from 238 balls
    48.31 SR

    86 from 138 balls
    62.32 SR

    72 from 111 balls
    64.86 SR

    His last 4 significant innings, his SR is 62.95. Langer's last 4 significant innings, his SR is 65.07. What say you now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    What about Atherton's ODI career? Did Matt Elliott play many ODI's...Matt Horne?
    Atherton had a useful ODI career avge of 35podd. Matt Elliott played just 1 ODI and scored 1 from 6 balls before being caught by Adam Hollioake off Gough (Gough took 5/44).

    Matt Horne averages 20.41 overall in ODI's. That's better than McCullum, Blackwell and Rikki Clarke.

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    Atherton was, and still is AFAIK, the fastest Englishman to 1000 ODI runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
    Atherton was, and still is AFAIK, the fastest Englishman to 1000 ODI runs.

    Team I NO Runs HS Av
    IVA Richards West Indies 21 7 1000 153* 71.42 1975 to 1979/80
    CG Greenidge West Indies 23 4 1000 106* 52.63 1975 to 1980
    GM Turner New Zealand 24 7 1000 171* 58.82 1972/73 to 1982/83
    Yasir Hameed Pakistan 24 2 1000 127* 45.45 2003 to 2003/04
    NS Sidhu India 25 2 1000 108 43.47 1987/88 to 1989/90
    AH Jones New Zealand 25 3 1000 90 45.45 1987/88 to 1988/89
    MA Atherton England 25 3 1000 92 45.45 1990 to 1995
    Zaheer Abbas Pakistan 26 3 1000 108 43.47 1974 to 1981/82
    GS Chappell Australia 26 6 1000 125* 50.00 1970/71 to 1980/81
    AJ Lamb England 26 5 1000 118 47.61 1982 to 1983/84
    BC Broad England 26 1 1000 99 40.00 1986/87 to 1987/88
    NV Knight England 26 4 1000 125* 45.45 1996 to 1998
    RL Dias Sri Lanka 27 3 1000 121 41.66 1979 to 1984/85
    ME Trescothick England 27 2 1000 137 40.00 2000 to 2001/02
    RR Sarwan West Indies 27 7 1000 99* 50.00 2000 to 2002/03
    Yousuf Youhana Pakistan 27 6 1000 104* 47.61 1997/98 to 1999/00
    GR Marsh Australia 28 1 1000 125 37.03 1985/86 to 1986/87
    PN Kirsten South Africa 28 6 1000 90 45.45 1991/92 to 1993/94
    Basit Ali Pakistan 28 6 1000 127* 45.45 1992/93 to 1994/95
    NC Johnson Zimbabwe 28 2 1000 132* 38.46 1998/99 to 1999/00
    GC Smith South Africa 28 2 1000 99 38.46 2001/02 to 2003
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    actually hes played 4....you hafta wonder who the wise guy on the selection committee came up with the idea of richardson for an ODI game.
    Yes you are right, he has played four matches.

    Richardson's ODI Career
    4 Matches, 42 runs@ 10.50, SR: 43.29, Ct: 1, St: 0

    I guess the selectors wanted to try him out. But as those stats show, Richarson is not an ODI batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    Butcher should definitely get given a game... Especially with the likes of Irani, McGrath and Rikki Clarke being banded around in recent years... (Butch can bowl a few overs too)
    Butch can bowl a few overs, but he is only effective in a very limited set of conditions...



    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    What about Atherton's ODI career?
    Not as bad as people would've expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerhair
    This whole campaign to select him reminds me a lot of the campaign to have Slater picked in Australia's one-day side. He did get picked a few times, and it became painfully apparent why he shouldn't have been.
    Michael Slater's ODI Career
    42 Matches, 987 runs@ 24.07, SR: 60.40, Ct: 9, St:0
    2 Overs, 0 wickets, Econ: 5.50

    Those stats wouldn't get you near the Australian ODI side these days. Though when he was picked in the ODI side, 99% of the time he opened with Mark Taylor who wasn't known to be a particuarly attacking ODI batsman (and who was dropped from the ODI side in 1997). So I guess Slater tried to be the attacking one of the two, but he did end up being caught very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Not as bad as people would've expected.
    The reason why people (and I guess the selectors as well) think that Atherton didn't have a great ODI career is because of his strike rate. His ODI strike rate was only 58.64

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    But that should be taken in context IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ford_GTHO351
    Michael Slater's ODI Career
    42 Matches, 987 runs@ 24.07, SR: 60.40, Ct: 9, St:0
    2 Overs, 0 wickets, Econ: 5.50

    Those stats wouldn't get you near the Australian ODI side these days. Though when he was picked in the ODI side, 99% of the time he opened with Mark Taylor who wasn't known to be a particuarly attacking ODI batsman (and who was dropped from the ODI side in 1997). So I guess Slater tried to be the attacking one of the two, but he did end up being caught very often.
    Your theory about Slater overattacking to make up for Taylor, and paying the penalty by getting out hardly stands up when you consider his ODI strike rate is 60.40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Your theory about Slater overattacking to make up for Taylor, and paying the penalty by getting out hardly stands up when you consider his ODI strike rate is 60.40.
    Look at these ODI innings of Slater when scored 50 or more

    73 (69) SR: 105.79
    54 (82) SR: 65.85
    66 (76) SR: 86.84
    50 (66) SR: 75.75
    55 (72) SR: 76.38
    68 (108) SR: 62.96
    50 (69) SR: 72.46
    53* (69) SR: 76.81
    52 (38) SR: 136.84

    His overall strike rate in those innings is 80.27


    Look at these ODI innings of Slater when he scored 5 runs or less

    1 (2) SR: 50.00
    0 (2) SR: 0.00
    4 (12) SR: 33.33
    0 (10) SR: 0.00
    4 (6) SR: 66.66
    2 (12) SR: 16.66
    1 (13) SR: 7.69
    2 (7) SR: 28.57
    5 (26) SR: 19.23
    0 (4) SR: 0.00
    2 (17) SR: 11.67
    3 (21) SR: 14.28
    1 (11) SR: 9.09

    His overall strike rate in those innings is 17.48

    I think if you look at those stats and you'll see if Slater had got going, he scored his runs very quickly. Though if he scored only a few runs, his strike rate tended to be very low.

    So thats why I stand by my theory on Slater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Butch can bowl a few overs, but he is only effective in a very limited set of conditions...
    Which is still better than Rikki Clarke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ford_GTHO351
    So thats why I stand by my theory on Slater.
    It's your theory, which is yours. It fits the facts, as does mine, which is that he played a lot of shots which were profitable in Tests but which were risky in one-day cricket. A lot of fairly airy drives through what would be a vacant mid-off or extra cover in Tests but just go down the throat of an ODI field. And those pulls for four to the non-existent midwicket in a Test were just gifts in one-day cricket. The opposite side of the coin was Neil Fairbrother, who could never have been a success in Tests because his business shot was through third slip.

    Sure, Slats could ride his luck in an ODI, and sometimes it came off. But mostly it didn't. Taylor's other one-day partners didn't seem to suffer from the same affliction, even though they weren't dashers like Test match Slater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ford_GTHO351
    Do you think the likes of Mark Butcher, Justin Langer etc. deserve the chance to play in ODI's?

    Butcher has never even played an ODI for England. If this was done say five years ago, I wouldn't have considered him in the ODI side. Though in recent years he has shown that he could perform as an ODI batsman, if given the chance.

    Langer is a little more fortunate as he has played 8 ODI's for Australia. His batting in recent years has improved a lot (including his strike rate), but he would be still far down the order for ODI selection given his age, heaps of young players are now emerging & where could Langer bat in the ODI side given Gilchrist and Hayden are doing great.
    I don't think Langer will get a chance ahead of guys like Mike Hussey. Didn't you see Langer in the later one day domestic games this season? He was easily tied down, scoring 15 from 50 odd balls + 1 or 2 similar innings. Don't get me wrong I rate him as one of the best limited overs players in Australia (see his 115 earlier in the season http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...18DEC2003.html) but he is not better than his rivals: Hussey, Hodge, Katich and Maher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    actually hes played 4....you hafta wonder who the wise guy on the selection committee came up with the idea of richardson for an ODI game.
    Because Nathan Astle was injured.

    And showed some form in the Tests before hand.
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