Hussain retiring?

Slow Love™ · 25-05-2004, 12:35 AM

Just read about this in cricinfo. Apparently he's to announce his future within the next 24-48 hours.

http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...25MAY2004.html

As an Australian, I've always appreciated Hussein's tenacity, and particularly his willingness to call it as he saw it, and not let his career be "controlled" by his detractors. He managed to quit the English captaincy (no mean feat, really), because he was unhappy about how the team had been treated over their concerns with touring Zimbabwe, and now it seems like he'll end his career right at a point when his place in the team, so often attacked (stupidly, IMO) has been so very well vindicated.

If he does retire, good luck to the man. He'll always have my respect.

Ford_GTHO351 · 25-05-2004, 04:51 AM

I would be suprised if Hussain did retire, because previously I heard that he wanted to at least play 100 Tests.

marc71178 · 25-05-2004, 07:08 AM

Yes, he has said that, but it would be typical of him to ignore the press when they wanted him out, score a great ton to win the game and get them on his side, then just walk away and metaphorically stick 2 fingers up to them (as supposed to 3!)

mavric41 · 25-05-2004, 07:14 AM

I think the thing that made him think was that Strauss did so well. He didn't want to keep a good, young player out. (Assuming that Strauss would be dropped for Vaughan for the next test).

I have an easy solution to the problem - drop Butcher and bat Strauss or Vaughan or Trescothik at 3. (when was Butcher's last big score?)

luckyeddie · 25-05-2004, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mavric41

I think the thing that made him think was that Strauss did so well. He didn't want to keep a good, young player out. (Assuming that Strauss would be dropped for Vaughan for the next test).

I have an easy solution to the problem - drop Butcher and bat Strauss or Vaughan or Trescothik at 3. (when was Butcher's last big score?)

How's about the previous test (or don't 2 half-centuries in the same one count?), a couple of other fifties and an unbeaten 46 in the Caribbean too?

Without Butcher in the West Indies it's conceivable that we would have drawn or even lost the series.

mavric41 · 25-05-2004, 07:27 AM

I did say BIG score.

I didn't follow the ENG/WI series that closely but I can see that he deserves his spot.

twctopcat · 25-05-2004, 08:09 AM

Jeez, anyone fancy a laugh? I admire Hussain as much as the next fan, but this could be taking it a bit far....have a listen.

JASON · 25-05-2004, 08:20 AM

While 'Nas' has been a great stalwart for England, I think it may be a good thing for him to retire while he is still performing reasonably.

I think his recent average (ie. batting average in last 2 years) is AFAIK less than what it was previously, suggesting a decline in form which has been a gradual steady one [as opposed to a temporary sudden dip in form]. He himself probably knows this too well and that's why he is contemplating retirement. From what I have observed, in the last 2 years he seems to come up with few 40s and 50s interspersed with several scores of <10. While his Century at Lords is welcome, one good performance cannot overshadow the underlying trend in his batting form which has been on the decline. Time to let him go.

ReallyCrazy · 25-05-2004, 09:30 AM

Now is certainly not the time for Hussain to go. He has proven himself in a lot of tough situations. His presence is very much needed in the England middle order. Strauss did have a dream debut but I don't think he should be preferred over Hussain at this point. Hussain has been in the team for a long time now and his value to the team is higher than Strauss.

luckyeddie · 25-05-2004, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JASON

While 'Nas' has been a great stalwart for England, I think it may be a good thing for him to retire while he is still performing reasonably.

I think his recent average (ie. batting average in last 2 years) is AFAIK less than what it was previously

er, not really.

His batting average at the present time is as high as it's been at any time over the last 5 years. It's only ever been significantly higher than current on three separate occasions throughout his entire career, and then only after a couple of big unbeaten knocks.

(checks yesterday's scorecard, walks away whistling, pretending no-one notices the irony)

25-05-2004, 12:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Slow Love™ International Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,079	Hussain retiring? Just read about this in cricinfo. Apparently he's to announce his future within the next 24-48 hours. http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...25MAY2004.html As an Australian, I've always appreciated Hussein's tenacity, and particularly his willingness to call it as he saw it, and not let his career be "controlled" by his detractors. He managed to quit the English captaincy (no mean feat, really), because he was unhappy about how the team had been treated over their concerns with touring Zimbabwe, and now it seems like he'll end his career right at a point when his place in the team, so often attacked (stupidly, IMO) has been so very well vindicated. If he does retire, good luck to the man. He'll always have my respect. __________________ "Youre known for having a liking for men who look like women." - Linda "FFS I'm sick and tired of having to see a bloke bend over to pick something up or lean over and see their arse crack. For christ's sake pull your pants up or buy some underpants you bogan because nobody want's to see it. And this is a boat building shed (well one of them) not a porn studio." - Craig

25-05-2004, 04:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ford_GTHO351 U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 585	I would be suprised if Hussain did retire, because previously I heard that he wanted to at least play 100 Tests. __________________ My 2003 Australian Cricketers Rankings No.1's Test Batting: Mathew Hayden Test Bowling: Stuart MacGill ODI Batting: Ricky Ponting ODI Bowling: Brett Lee Ford Rules!

25-05-2004, 07:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
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25-05-2004, 07:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
mavric41 State Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ipswich, Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,081	I think the thing that made him think was that Strauss did so well. He didn't want to keep a good, young player out. (Assuming that Strauss would be dropped for Vaughan for the next test). I have an easy solution to the problem - drop Butcher and bat Strauss or Vaughan or Trescothik at 3. (when was Butcher's last big score?) __________________ Only two states to be in - Queensland and drunk.

25-05-2004, 08:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
twctopcat International Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: winchester, england Posts: 3,477	Jeez, anyone fancy a laugh? I admire Hussain as much as the next fan, but this could be taking it a bit far....have a listen. __________________ R.I.P Fardin Qayyumi (Cricket Player) 'Last one on drugs is a queer,' yells portillo.. Hope is a good thing, maybe even the best of things. And no good thing ever dies...... Self appointed president of the KPPAS

25-05-2004, 07:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
mavric41 State Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ipswich, Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,081	I did say BIG score. I didn't follow the ENG/WI series that closely but I can see that he deserves his spot.

25-05-2004, 08:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
JASON Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: At Work Posts: 7,558	While 'Nas' has been a great stalwart for England, I think it may be a good thing for him to retire while he is still performing reasonably. I think his recent average (ie. batting average in last 2 years) is AFAIK less than what it was previously, suggesting a decline in form which has been a gradual steady one [as opposed to a temporary sudden dip in form]. He himself probably knows this too well and that's why he is contemplating retirement. From what I have observed, in the last 2 years he seems to come up with few 40s and 50s interspersed with several scores of <10. While his Century at Lords is welcome, one good performance cannot overshadow the underlying trend in his batting form which has been on the decline. Time to let him go.

25-05-2004, 09:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
ReallyCrazy Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,202	Now is certainly not the time for Hussain to go. He has proven himself in a lot of tough situations. His presence is very much needed in the England middle order. Strauss did have a dream debut but I don't think he should be preferred over Hussain at this point. Hussain has been in the team for a long time now and his value to the team is higher than Strauss.

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