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    I don't mind bats as much as shorter boundaries, that last power play and that stupid 2 new balls rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Is there an argument along with that statement?

    Legitimately, and especially highlighted in Red Hill's 75-91 analysis, how is Kohli even close to be as far ahead of the pack today as Richards' was against his peers. Richard's SR of 90 came in an era where 70 was outstanding... I mean even the great Gordon Greenidge had a SR of 64 IIRC. Kohli's average is brilliant, but his SR is just up with his peers, it's not really outstanding.
    Well he scores a hundred every 5-6 games. Viv got one every 16-17. I feel like the different era argument only can elevate a player so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    What I meant to say was that whilst there were plenty of great bats around, they were all still 'conservative'. Richards and to lesser extent Jones had a different, more 'modern' approach. They were ahead of the times if you will. Plus, many teams changed their approach to ODIs from the late 80s to mid 90s without significant technological advancement. Richards and Jones just did it first. Miandad, Greenidge etc batted more or less the same way in ODIs and tests. Richards was backing up and hitting sixes over extra cover in the 70s! His extraordinary ability obviously was a bigger factor in allowing him to do outrageous stuff like that.

    Here's a scorecard that backs up my point: Full Scorecard of Australia vs West Indies, Australian Tri Series (CB Series), 3rd Final - Score Report | ESPNcricinfo.com

    This tells me Richards would've averaged 60 at 120 today, without any exaggeration.
    Can't Zaheer Abbas be included in the Jones/Viv class

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    Too short a career so dunno.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    Too short a career so dunno.
    Was it really though?

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    I'd say it goes:
    Richards



    Jones/Abbas*


    Miandad/Crowe/Greenidge etc

    The rest

    *If you think he counts

    Still only 3 batsmen.

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    There's really no way around the fact that Kohli is the greatest century maker of the format. It's unreal. Richards finest centuries were probably finer though and his best really stands out.

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    Laxmans best century stands out over Bradmans best

    So what


    41 centuries is insane. And it'd be a very conservative estimate to say hel get on to get only 60. I know we don't like predicting the rest of players careers but Kohli's rate seems to be speeding up not slowing down

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    I feel like I'd still take Viv, but it's very close.

    He's definitely a better ODI batsman than Sachin, though Sachin has arguably had the better career thus far.
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    I mean, I wasn't arguing against Kohli being unrivalled in this measure. My post started out saying just that.

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    Ceetainly belongs in the argument, and if he dominates the WC as you’d expect he will then it’ll be him and Viv in the GF. imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Ceetainly belongs in the argument, and if he dominates the WC as you’d expect he will then it’ll be him and Viv in the GF. imo
    Oh mate, look at the state of this place in your absence. An Indian with no WC final runs of note is being compared to the great Richards!

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    Viv Richards worked out how to bat in ODIs long before anyone else did, and before bowlers worked out how to bowl, so had that advantage.

    Kohli is a remarkable batsman who impresses me more and more as time passes - if he could just get to grips with Adil Rashid I'd even concede he's better than the other Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    Oh mate, look at the state of this place in your absence. An Indian with no WC final runs of note is being compared to the great Richards!
    I quietly perused the forum during my ban using one of my several Multis, and unsurprisingly the week proved what I have long said: both the quantity but especially the quality is turgid in my absence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    I quietly perused the forum during my ban using one of my several Multis, and unsurprisingly the week proved what I have long said: both the quantity but especially the quality is turgid in my absence.
    What have you done with zorax?

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