“Universally Challenged” Draft Idea

[a massive zebra]

Flem274 times out again.

SillyCowCorner1 > a massive zebra > fredfertang

Catch up picks: Flem274 x3, mr_mister x2

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Faoud Bacchus

1. Devon Smith
2. Faoud Bacchus
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9. Brian Murphy
10. Adam Sanford
11. Raphick Jumadeen

 

[a massive zebra]

Maitland Hathorn, a middle order batsman who unfortunately made a Test century and yet finished with a sub 20 average after just 12 Tests.

1.
2. Louis Stricker
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5. Maitland Hathorn
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7. Mohammad Sharif
8. Guy de Alwis (wk)
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10. Andy Whittall
11.

 

[fredfertang]

Datta Gaekwad - 11 Tests, specialist batsman, 18.42

 

[kingkallis]

Talat Ali

CricZo XI

1. Talat Ali /
2. Jehan Mubarak /
3. Ken Rutherford / (c)
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8. Ajit Agarkar o /
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11. Ashish Nehra o

 

[mr_mister]

Syd Gregory. Avgd 24 from 58 tests as a specalist bat despite a few tons. The original Ashraful

 

[mr_mister]

And for my other player I'll take Nixon McLean, who never produced anything better than a 3 fer as a bowler in 19 tests playing as one. Didn't exactly have stiff competition for wickets either

 

[Teuton]

the appropriately name Matt Poore (bat average of 15) & Mluleki Nkala (11 wkts @ 66)

 

[a massive zebra]

Syd Gregory. Avgd 24 from 58 tests as a specalist bat despite a few tons. The original Ashraful

That is rather harsh on Gregory, IMO. Although he was clearly no superstar, if you take into account the average scores of his time, I'm pretty sure Gregory's standardised average will be much higher than Ashraful.

In Gregory's generation, you had bowlers averaging under 20 and the best batsmen in his side (Trumper and Hill) averaged around 40 rather than the 50+ achieved by players of a similar calibre in modern times. I would suggest an average of 30 is a fair reflection of his ability. Nothing special, but far from "the original Ashraful".

 

[mr_mister]

That's a more than fair point zebra, I was a bit harsh

But he played 100 test innings and crossed 50 twelve times. I dunno if he was making a lot of useful 30s and 40s, but maaan that's a lot of tests where he's contributing zip lol. 58 is such a huge career pre WW1 lol

 

[a massive zebra]

To back up what I was saying, the overall Test batting average between Gregory's first and last Test was 25.84, while the equivalent figure for the last ten years is 33.02, or 28% higher. If we uplift Syd Gregory's average by the same proportion, we get an average of 31.34. Relatively mediocre, but well above Ashraful standard.

 

[mr_mister]

I hate to do that thing where we focus a lot on an innings or whatever, but he got 201* early in his career in 1894. In the time his career overlapped with Trunper and Hill his personal contribution must have been pretty garbage lol

 

[a massive zebra]

That's a more than fair point zebra, I was a bit harsh

But he played 100 test innings and crossed 50 twelve times. I dunno if he was making a lot of useful 30s and 40s, but maaan that's a lot of tests where he's contributing zip lol. 58 is such a huge career pre WW1 lol

Sure, Gregory was highly inconsistent and failed far more often than he succeeded. But he still had a number of notable successes, including one of the earliest Test double centuries. I believe Gregory kept his place in the side for so long despite his inconsistent and relatively limited run scoring due to his outstanding fielding, another factor that should be taken into consideration when judging players. The Wisden Cricketers Almanack's of his time leave one in no doubt that there were few if any better fielders in the world during his time. For instance, here is a quote from his Wisden obituary:

the cricket field has seen no more brilliant cover-point. Clever in anticipation and quick to move, he got to and stopped the hardest of hits, gathered the ball cleanly and returned it with deadly accuracy. His work, indeed, was always an inspiration to his colleagues and a joy to the spectators.

 

[a massive zebra]

I hate to do that thing where we focus a lot on an innings or whatever, but he got 201* early in his career in 1894. In the time his career overlapped with Trunper and Hill his personal contribution must have been pretty garbage lol

From Trumper's debut on 1st June 1899 until the end of his career, Gregory played 39 Tests and scored 1,374 runs at 22.16 with 2 centuries. So marginally inferior to his overall career record, but not by much.

 

[a massive zebra]

kingkallis times out.

fredfertang > a massive zebra > SillyCowCorner1

Catch up: Flem274 x3, kingkallis

 

[fredfertang]

Ashok Mankad

 

[a massive zebra]

Noel McGregor, who averaged less than 20 from 25 Tests and was a member of the New Zealand side that were bowled out for 26, the lowest completed innings in Tests. He also averaged just 25 in first class cricket.


1.
2. Louis Stricker
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4. Noel McGregor
5. Maitland Hathorn
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7. Mohammad Sharif
8. Guy de Alwis (wk)
9.
10. Andy Whittall
11.

 

[kingkallis]

Kris Srikkanth

CricZo XI

1. Kris Srikkanth /
2. Jehan Mubarak /
3. Ken Rutherford / (c)
4. Talat Ali /
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8. Ajit Agarkar o /
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11. Ashish Nehra o

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Faoud Bacchus

1. Devon Smith
2. Faoud Bacchus
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9. Brian Murphy
10. Adam Sanford
11. Raphick Jumadeen

Narsingh Deonarine

 

[a massive zebra]

Flem274 times out again. In future rounds, unless Flem has caught up, we can skip him. I think four consecutive time outs is more than enough.

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