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    Seam and conventional swing bowlers

    Just about everyone can manage a bit of both. But just about all the top quicks focus on one or the other with the new ball and I'm struggling to think of bowlers who were top level at both.

    Who comes closest to being able to switch from Anderson to Philander mode when they want to? Or could manage both in a single delivery at an exceptional level?

    Wasim is the best fit I can think of. I've watched a couple of guys who were outstanding at one and got a big boost from the other.

    And I can think of players from before my time with reputations for both. But I'm not sure how justified they were. When you read player biographies they always describe a million bowling styles with lavish praise even if the bowlers weren't the best at them or bowled thae variations so infrequently in their careers that most fans might never see it happen.

    So what excellent bowlers used both?

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    Marshall and Hadlee maybe? Unsure.
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    Isn't it a biomechanics thing? Like, doesn't a bowler need fairly different actions in order to get to ball to swing Vs getting it to seam, thus making a bowler capable of doing both well exceedingly rare?
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    I wouldn't have thought so. Care to elaborate?


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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Isn't it a biomechanics thing? Like, doesn't a bowler need fairly different actions in order to get to ball to swing Vs getting it to seam, thus making a bowler capable of doing both well exceedingly rare?
    Eh more to do with the wrist position than anything else tbh
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    I'm sure every top quick can do both but stick to one out of habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfighter View Post
    I wouldn't have thought so. Care to elaborate?
    Just wondering. Can Morne Morkel, for instance, simply choose to bowl swing without a significant change in his action?

    I've read people talk about needing a more traditional side-on action to get outswing, but more open chested to get inswing going. Not sure how accurate that is either.

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    To even play grade level you need to be pretty damn good at both, really. Top level at both is a tough ask because of the nature of being top level at anything naturally precludes this. You don't get as good as these guys by trying to be good at everything but by specialising in what you're actually great at and building your game around that. Guys like McG could swing it, would just use it more around the wicket ball whereas the opposite, an Anderson, hits the seam more as a containment option, for example.

    Wasim a solid shout but can barely think of anyone else. At one point, a bloke like Craig McDermott was world class at hitting the seam and getting that big away curve when conditions demanded it. On the modern front, reckon Abbas could head that way if he wanted to. Obligatory mention of Midge Johnson's summer when he added pace, accuracy and reverse to both of those things and murdered anyone to death who dared stand 22 yards away from him with a stick.
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    Wasim the only one of the top of my head that I could think of.

    Asif bowled some magical spells when he had the conditions. He was primarily seam but swung it beautifully when in England.
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    I think CW's collective favourite Steyn is a good shout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    I think CW's collective favourite Steyn is a good shout.
    He is more pace and swing reliant. Not nearly as good at seaming

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    Steve Harmison is an example of a seamer.

    Mathew Hoggard was the swinger.

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    S. Pollock ca. 1996 had a mean outswinger. Became more reliant on seam later on. Agree Wasim is probably the best shout here though.
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    Any of those guys possess the cutter, if any?
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