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    Hadlee had a deadly one if I'm not wrong. Marshall learnt it from Lillee and Wasim of course had that too. Dunno about Pollock but a great line and length merchant ought to have one.
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    This is why I loved Asif; he'd completely change what his main weapon was going to be depending on the conditions, and was almost equally good at both approaches.

    Philander and Anderson who you mentioned are actually interesting examples in that I think they actually attempt to do what Asif did but are just much better at one mode of attack than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Just wondering. Can Morne Morkel, for instance, simply choose to bowl swing without a significant change in his action?

    I've read people talk about needing a more traditional side-on action to get outswing, but more open chested to get inswing going. Not sure how accurate that is either.
    Being side on definitely helps but only because it makes it your wrist point away more naturally. At the end of the day it's all about the wrist.

    Someone like Morkel can bowl swing but it'll come at the cost of something else because that's not what he works on all day long.
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    Doesn't the word Lillee alone convey a thousand words, just like a picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Ian View Post
    Doesn't the word Lillee alone convey a thousand words, just like a picture?
    Yeah but not if you weren't there for it. To my knowledge Lillee used outswing as his primary weapon. Would like to know more about his seam movement.

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    When he got slower he developed a nice leg cutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    I think CW's collective favourite Steyn is a good shout.
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    He is more pace and swing reliant. Not nearly as good at seaming
    What about his off-cutter to right-hand batsmen that gets them LBW and the one that goes across lefties to nick them off. They not exactly straight anglers are they ?

    With his natural swing direction not sure a leg-cutter as such would be needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    Yeah but not if you weren't there for it. To my knowledge Lillee used outswing as his primary weapon. Would like to know more about his seam movement.
    Yeah he primarily bowled outswong when he was younger but developed both leg and offcutters as he got older. About the only thing he couldn’t bowl well was a Yorker tbh.

    The ball he got Vic with on that day in Melbourne wa da subtle little inswwonger afte rhed ser him up with a couple of outies just on stumps. He KO’ed boycott with an off cutter a year or two earlier which boycs didn’t offer a shot too after he’d bowled exclusively leg cutters and outswingers to him for an hour. Bloke was a crazy smart bowler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    What about his off-cutter to right-hand batsmen that gets them LBW and the one that goes across lefties to nick them off. They not exactly straight anglers are they ?

    With his natural swing direction not sure a leg-cutter as such would be needed.
    At the top level, leg-cutter is compulsory even if you swing them away and I'd say Steyn bowls them quite well. For example, when someone nicks someone off with one 'straighening down the line', it's really often a leg-cutter delivered from wide on the crease. Just looks straight on the TV.

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    Stuart Broad is pretty good at both seam and swing when it all comes together and he bowls one of those crazy spells of his.
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    Was Mcgrath possibly a better seam/conventional combo bowler than Wasim? Streets ahead on movement off the seam, and looked to be a very good conventional bowler. Better bowler overall for sure, and a lot of Wasims quality came from reverse.

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    I'd say Wasim was a better conventional swing bowler by a good margin.

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