DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1

[Days of Grace]

Should factor in that most of the time Verity had Bradman waiting to receive his balls at the other end

Well, a bowler's average and strike-rate are adjusted according to match conditions and strength of opposition, so if Verity was bowling when Bradman was racking up double centuries then it would be reflected in the adjustments :-)

No.89

Zaheer Khan (India) 668

Quality Points: 582
Career Points: 86

Career: 2000-2014
Wickets: 311
Gold Performances: 2
5/75 vs. England at Nottingham 2007 (15.04)
5/94 vs. Australia at Mohali 2010 (15.51)
Silver Performances: 5
Bronze Performances: 7

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 29.74 (32.95) 61.77 (60.40) 3.70
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2007-2010): 25.22 51.94 4.93
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 28.99 58.24 4.14
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 29.85 62.91 3.80

 

[ankitj]

Verity was ranked #6 in the spinners list compiled by CW recently. This methodology seems to vehemently disagree with that assessment.

 

[Starfighter]

Verity was ranked #6 in the spinners list compiled by CW recently. This methodology seems to vehemently disagree with that assessment.

Number of wickets in career, strongly dependent on the number of opportunities, and strike rate, strongly dependent on prevailing batting style, are both going to disproportionately benefit modern players who often can play more tests against less defensive batting than older players.

 

[Days of Grace]

Probably because in rating spinners one does not normally look at strike-rates. But in this methodology averages are factored in together with strike-rates at a ratio of 4:1. Whether that ratio needs changing is up for debate. The same ratio is used for test batsmen.

No.88

Heath Streak (Zimbabwe) 669

Quality Points: 611
Career Points: 59

Career: 1993-2005
Wickets: 216
Gold Performances: 0
Best performance: 6/90 vs. Pakistan at Harare 1995 (14.51)
Silver Performances: 2
Bronze Performances: 5

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 26.72 (28.14) 63.59 (62.77) 3.79
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1993-2000): 22.38 51.20 4.80
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 28.64 67.19 3.48
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.53 62.11 4.14

 

[Bolo]

SR is adjusted. Wickets isn't the only longevity measure (years).

Verity playing a lot of matches against AUS and a lot vs minnows probably balances out.

He gets burned because his SR is bad for his era and his wpm (career wickets) is very low. Mostly the SR because of how the formula is set up. I think we are going to see a few spinners a bit lower than expected.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.87

Bill Johnston (Australia) 670

Quality Points: 625
Career Points: 45

Career:1947-1955
Wickets: 160
Gold Performances: 0
Best performance: 6/44 vs. South Africa at Johannesburg 1949 (14.27)
Silver Performances: 4
Bronze Performances: 4

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 24.77 (23.91) 62.19 (69.05) 4.14
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1947-1952): 20.85 54.69 4.75
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 26.43 67.36 4.29
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 29.87 72.96 3.02

Bill Johnston only bowled in 14 innings vs. quality opposition so suffers a loss of points (minimum of 50 innings required overall/peak and 25 innings against non-home and quality opposition for full points).

 

[Days of Grace]

Number of wickets in career, strongly dependent on the number of opportunities, and strike rate, strongly dependent on prevailing batting style, are both going to disproportionately benefit modern players who often can play more tests against less defensive batting than older players.

This is partly true. As time goes on the average number of wickets taken across the top 100 will increase, therefore devaluing it somewhat.

Also, averages and strike-rates are also adjusted by era. Therefore all bowlers in the 21st century will have their strike-rates adjusted upwards.

 

[Hicheal Michael]

Might just be a typo, Wagner's 7/39 was vs WI.

 

[Zinzan]

Had anyone else literally never hears of him?

Disappointed MM, thought you were one of the more knowledgeable cric-webians out there after all those drafts.

Bruce Taylor was a fine all-rounder cricketer, averaging just over 20 with the blade, including a couple of Test hundreds, with 111 wickets @ 26 with the ball. Famously scoring a 100 and taking 5-fer on debut in Kolkata. 2nd Test, New Zealand tour of India at Kolkata, Mar 5-8 1965 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

 

[Days of Grace]

No.86

Chris Cairns (New Zealand) 670

Quality Points: 602
Career Points: 68

Career: 1989-2004
Wickets: 218
Gold Performances: 1
7/27 vs. West Indies at Hamilton 1999
Silver Performances: 5
Bronze Performances: 7

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 28.25 (29.40) 53.80 (53.66) 4.00
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1998-2002): 24.23 47.48 4.49
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 28.65 53.48 4.15
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 34.20 59.75 3.39

 

[Burgey]

Top cricketer Chris Cairns. Often delivered against Australia in a tough era.

 

[mr_mister]

Disappointed MM, thought you were one of the more knowledgeable cric-webians out there after all those drafts.

Bruce Taylor was a fine all-rounder cricketer, averaging just over 20 with the blade, including a couple of Test hundreds, with 111 wickets @ 26 with the ball. Famously scoring a 100 and taking 5-fer on debut in Kolkata. 2nd Test, New Zealand tour of India at Kolkata, Mar 5-8 1965 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

sorry for letting so many people down ha. i only really got super into the history of cricket when i started posting here 3 years ago. so theres still players i havent really read about.

 

[smash84]

I would have thought Heath streak might appear above Chris Cairns

 

[The Battlers Prince]

I would have thought Heath streak might appear above Chris Cairns

Definitely rate Cairns above Streak, maybe better performed in Australia. As a bowler and batsman.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.85

Matthew Hoggard (England) 673

Quality Points: 609
Career Points: 64

Career: 2000-2008
Wickets: 248
Gold Performances: 3
7/63 vs. New Zealand at Christchurch 2002 (17.45)
7/61 vs. South Africa at Johannesburg 2005 (18.61)
7/109 vs. Australia at Adelaide 2006 (16.03)
Silver Performances: 3
Bronze Performances: 0

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.82 (30.50) 58.45 (56.08) 3.92
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2004-2006): 23.52 47.99 4.54
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.45 59.13 3.88
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 28.83 58.63 4.00

 

[stephen]

Haggard was vastly underrated by all involved. Fine bowler who paved the way for Jimmy and is overshadowed by the latter.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.84

Trent Boult (New Zealand) 674

Quality Points: 619
Career Points: 55

Career: 2011-
Wickets: 215
Gold Performances: 1
6/32 vs. England at Auckland 2018 (15.89)
Silver Performances: 3
Bronze Performances: 4

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 25.58 (27.85) 58.61 (56.11) 4.03
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2014-2018): 24.49 55.38 4.62
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 28.40 64.55 3.29
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 26.42 60.64 3.93

 

[Starfighter]

That Auckland test was one of the greatest things ever to happen in cricket.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.83

Josh Hazlewood (Australia) 674

Quality Points: 635
Career Points: 39

Career: 2014-
Wickets: 151
Gold Performances: 0
Best Performance: 5/48 vs. England at Perth 2017 (14.90)
Silver Performances: 5
Bronze Performances: 3

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 24.66 (26.85) 59.93 (57.34) 4.02
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2014-2017): 22.20 54.57 4.31
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 26.51 62.79 3.19
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 25.87 60.92 4.16

 

[Red]

Top cricketer Chris Cairns. Often delivered against Australia in a tough era.

Very much so. Interesting to compare him to Botham imo. Highly skilled cricketer was Cairns.