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    I was always taught as a youngster that mid way actions were a good way to get injured because of the spinal twisting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I was always taught as a youngster that mid way actions were a good way to get injured because of the spinal twisting.
    There's a difference between 'mid-way' and mixed. Mixed is the one with the twisting. Most people think of closing the shoulders much more than the hips in the gather, but the sort that you'll see on a lot on injury prone bowlers is actually the other direction, with the hips more closed than the shoulders upon back foot contact. Almost all truly fast bowlers separate their hips and shoulders which open up earlier than the shoulders, when this happens with a hips-closed, shoulders-open bowler the shoulders will rotate a significant distance backwards with respect to the hips, this is the counter-rotation that causes the injuries. Ian Bishop is a very clear example of this.

    Mid-way simply means that the hip and shoulder angle at back foot contact, provided they are close, is somewhere around 45 with respect to the crease, rather than closer to parallel or perpendicular (chest-on and side-on respectively).
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    No.60

    Angus Fraser (England) 721

    Quality Points: 663
    Career Points: 58




    Career: 1989-1998
    Wickets: 177
    Gold Performances: 3
    8/75 vs. West Indies at Bridgetown 1994 (18.58)
    8/53 vs. West Indies at Port of Spain 1998 (16.35)
    5/42 vs. South Africa at Leeds 1998 (15.09)
    Silver Performances: 7
    Bronze Performances: 5

    Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 25.52 (27.32) 58.22 (61.45) 4.70
    50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1994-1998): 25.20 57.00 4.83
    Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 23.82 54.37 4.58
    Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 24.42 56.14 4.92
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    Excellent adjusted stats for Fraser
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    Along with Gough, Fraser was one of the best English players through the 90s. He was always decent, even when his team were not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Excellent adjusted stats for Fraser
    Yeah surprised it adjusted that much given the era he bowled in. Did he exclusively play tough teams or something?
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    Besides Australia, Wi of his time weren't close to being as dire as they are now. That must help out seeing that eng played wi quite a bit in his time.

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    A great and chronically underrated bowler. Still surprised to see him this high though

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Yeah surprised it adjusted that much given the era he bowled in. Did he exclusively play tough teams or something?
    Yes. 38 of his 46 matches were played against quality opposition.

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    Averaging 23.7 against the West Indies with two 8-fors will do it.
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    No.59

    Morne Morkel (South Africa) 721

    Quality Points: 638
    Career Points: 83




    Career: 2006-2018
    Wickets: 309
    Gold Performances: 3
    5/20 vs. India at Centurion 2010 (17.84)
    6/23 vs. New Zealand at Wellington 2012 (18.63)
    5/23 vs. Australia at Cape Town 2018 (15.26)
    Silver Performances: 2
    Bronze Performances: 10

    Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 25.40 (27.67) 55.51 (53.39) 3.92
    50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2014-2018): 21.72 49.89 4.34
    Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 26.57 58.08 3.93
    Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 26.18 56.36 3.94

    Morne hit his peak in his penultimate match. Did he retire too soon?

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    Relatively low quality points seems right. As far a bowling quality I feel that there's quite a few on this list who are way ahead of him.

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    No.58

    Graeme Swann (England) 722

    Quality Points: 650
    Career Points: 71




    Career: 2008-2013
    Wickets: 255
    Gold Performances: 1
    6/106 vs. Sri Lanka at Colombo (PSS) 2012 (15.00)
    Silver Performances: 9
    Bronze Performances: 13

    Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.14 (29.97) 61.74 (60.19) 4.95
    50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2009-2011): 24.16 57.41 5.67
    Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.86 64.11 5.30
    Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 29.89 66.21 4.62
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    Hmm Swann is a bit too high IMO.

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    I might have rated Saqlain higher than Swann if I hadn't really looked closely at his numbers
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