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Why do Kohli and Shastri force Limited overs players into Tests?

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Limited overs specialists generally do not make good Test cricketers. As simple as that. Test cricket is of a much higher standard than the IPL. Players like Bumrah, Pant and Dhawan completely do not belong in the Test format. They are limited overs specialists. Keep them there.
 

SillyCowCorner1

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If they were crap like a certain Rubel Hossain (Limited Over specialist), they would not even be considered for another test.

Bumrah- picked specifically for overseas tests

Pant- they needed a batsman/wicketkeeper with form, better than DK, pant was in the UK

Dhawan- He is losing it a bit; needs a break from test cricket. But a wonderful player when he is in form
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
If they were crap like a certain Rubel Hossain (Limited Over specialist), they would not even be considered for another test.

Bumrah- picked specifically for overseas tests

Pant- they needed a batsman/wicketkeeper with form, better than DK, pant was in the UK

Dhawan- He is losing it a bit; needs a break from test cricket. But a wonderful player when he is in form
DK is miles better than Pant. Pant almost lost India the third test. The point is, DK has experience and is proven. He is a better Test cricketer than Pant, and it makes no sense at all to pick Pant over DK.There is not a single reason I can think of, apart from a potential bias against Tamil Nadu and South India.

Bumrah does not convince me at all. He takes wickets only when the batsman attacks him. Umesh Yadav has much more experience and aims to take wickets by attacking the batsman. He also has outswing, which Bumrah does not. Umesh Yadav is a much better choice for Tests, and I would actually also pick Umesh for ODIs over Bumrah as well. You need wickets and attacking bowlers in ODIs too.
 

SillyCowCorner1

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DK is miles better than Pant. Pant almost lost India the third test. The point is, DK has experience and is proven. He is a better Test cricketer than Pant, and it makes no sense at all to pick Pant over DK.There is not a single reason I can think of, apart from a potential bias against Tamil Nadu and South India.

Bumrah does not convince me at all. He takes wickets only when the batsman attacks him. Umesh Yadav has much more experience and aims to take wickets by attacking the batsman. He also has outswing, which Bumrah does not. Umesh Yadav is a much better choice for Tests, and I would actually also pick Umesh for ODIs over Bumrah as well. You need wickets and attacking bowlers in ODIs too.
Have you watched any of the 4th innings in the 3rd test?

Pant dropped a catch, yes. England had a mountain to climb.

And Bumrah bowl so beautifully with the second new ball. Jos Buttler shoulder armed to a Bumrah ball that nipped back in.
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Have you watched any of the 4th innings in the 3rd test?

Pant dropped a catch, yes. England had a mountain to climb.

And Bumrah bowl so beautifully with the second new ball. Jos Buttler shoulder armed to a Bumrah ball that nipped back in.
He didn't bowl beautifully. He got lucky and wasted the first new ball. If Bumrah got five, Umesh would have gotten seven wickets using the new ball. Umesh is absolutely quality, and is along with Ishant India's best pace bowler. Bumrah is a match-loser in Tests, the way he bowls.
 

SillyCowCorner1

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He didn't bowl beautifully. He got lucky and wasted the first new ball. If Bumrah got five, Umesh would have gotten seven wickets using the new ball. Umesh is absolutely quality, and is along with Ishant India's best pace bowler. Bumrah is a match-loser in Tests, the way he bowls.
Are you even a fan of good pace bowling?
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Are you even a fan of good pace bowling?
I am a fan of pace bowling, therefore I am a fan of Umesh Yadav, who is the best pace bowler India has right now. Bumrah isn't even top 10 of India's pace bowlers. I hate Kohli's captaincy, attitude as well as Shastri's drunken stupidity. I hate the way South Indian cricketers like Karthik, who has worked so hard for so long to get a chance, is sidelined for the next flavour of the month from Delhi.

I am a fan of good pace bowling. I am not a fan of Kohli's choices.
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
Limited overs specialists generally do not make good Test cricketers. As simple as that. Test cricket is of a much higher standard than the IPL. Players like Bumrah, Pant and Dhawan completely do not belong in the Test format. They are limited overs specialists. Keep them there.
Dhawan has been the best opener on show from both teams - granted the bar is pretty low.
Bumrah was the best bowler in the one match he played.
Karthik has sucked ass in the two games he was played in - not that Pant looked like a major improvement but dude at least held most of his catches.
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Dhawan has been the best opener on show from both teams - granted the bar is pretty low.
Bumrah was the best bowler in the one match he played.
Karthik has sucked ass in the two games he was played in - not that Pant looked like a major improvement but dude at least held most of his catches.
Karthik was absolutely fine with wicketkeeping. He struggled with the bat but so did everyone else. I see no reason for picking Pant over Karthik and I think (in fact, I hope) this decision will cost India important future matches.

Bumrah was not the best bowler, I'd say Ishant was. Bumrah picked up the cheaper wickets of the tail, and even then he only bowled ODI length. He never bowled test length. I think Umesh would have wreaked havoc in the third test .
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
In what world are Root , Buttler , Bairstow and Woakes "cheap" tail wickets? Karthik dropped quite a few catches in the first 2 tests.
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
In what world are Root , Buttler , Bairstow and Woakes "cheap" tail wickets? Karthik dropped quite a few catches in the first 2 tests.
The form they are in, they are cheap. Any bowler could have picked them up cheaply, and in fact Umesh would have taken those wickets. Also, Buttler top scored in both innings, something which Umesh's attacking lines and lengths would not have allowed.

Karthik was very good with the gloves, certainly better than Pant. Also, Karthik top scored in England in the 2007 series and so has the experience needed to score runs. He was unlucky with bowler friendly pitches and he would have scored huge runs on the flatter 3rd test pitch. Pant just doesn't have the experience. Karthik must be played in the fourth.
 

Borges

International Regular
Karthik was very good with the gloves
No.

certainly better than Pant.
Overall, Karthik is a better keeper than Pant. They replaced Karthik because the batting needed bolstering.

Pant just doesn't have the experience. Karthik must be played in the fourth.
A young kid is given an opportunity; he grabs it with both hands, and whether fortuitously or not, does better than the player he replaced.
There is absolutely no justification is not letting him continue.
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
No.



Overall, Karthik is a better keeper than Pant. They replaced Karthik because the batting needed bolstering.



A young kid is given an opportunity; he grabs it with both hands, and whether fortuitously or not, does better than the player he replaced.
There is absolutely no justification is not letting him continue.
It is short sighted decision. Give Karthik some belief, assure him of his spot, give him all five tests and I can assure you he would have performed better than Pant or even won India this series. Karthik has waited for so long this opportunity, it is absolute stupidity from Shastri and Kohli to take it away so quickly.
 

rparikh14

School Boy/Girl Captain
It is short sighted decision. Give Karthik some belief, assure him of his spot, give him all five tests and I can assure you he would have performed better than Pant or even won India this series. Karthik has waited for so long this opportunity, it is absolute stupidity from Shastri and Kohli to take it away so quickly.
I agree that Karthik should have been persisted with for longer, but Pant was an appealing option, with him having done well on the A tour and showing promise for the future, while Karthik is more of a short to medium term fix.
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I am frankly surprised to see this much support for Bumrah in test cricket. I fail to see the attraction of Bumrah in the long form. His all over the place bowling helps for T20 but hurts the team in Test cricket.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I am frankly surprised to see this much support for Bumrah in test cricket. I fail to see the attraction of Bumrah in the long form. His all over the place bowling helps for T20 but hurts the team in Test cricket.
Funny how his bowling in tests hasn't been all that 'all over the place' and hasn't hurt the team. He's been vital to India's two most recent test victories outside of Asia.
 

SteveWaugh

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Funny how his bowling in tests hasn't been all that 'all over the place' and hasn't hurt the team. He's been vital to India's two most recent test victories outside of Asia.
Do you even watch Bumrah's bowling in Tests? To tell me that it isn't like a spraygun is bordering on the ridiculous. Umesh Yadav shows much more control and patience.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Do you even watch Bumrah's bowling in Tests? To tell me that it isn't like a spraygun is bordering on the ridiculous. Umesh Yadav shows much more control and patience.
From what I've seen he's waaaaay better than the last significant Umesh Yadav I saw back here in 14/15, who had so little directional control I thought he was gong to bounce one over second slip. Yadav might be better with the old ball in india, but that's irrelevant to the current series. Right now Bumrah just took more wickets at a lower economy than any of the other Indian pace bowlers on a less favourable surface than the one Yadav was not that impressive on in the first test. And Yadav is probably my favourite Indian bowler and I've been wanting good things out of him since his first visit down here in 11/12 so it's not like I'm irrationally against him or anything.
 

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