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    Best XI's ever put out in a test match by each country?

    I've been digging around in a few scorecards to find England's objective best ever line up, and I couldn't find one that featured all of Hobbs-Sutcliffe-Hamond-Ames-Larwood-Tate-Rhodes in the 20s, though it would have been theoretically possible to play all those guys in an XI.


    But I found this gem:

    England played a virtual who's who of classical English batting in the 1st test of the 1928 tour of Aus, with a top 6 of

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe
    Mead
    Hammond
    Jardine
    Hendren


    5 of those blokes feature in the top 6 for all time FC centuries and top 7 for all time FC runs. Not too shabby. In this XI Larwood and Tate both featured but there was no Rhodes(or even Freeman, though he was in the touring squad) to really make it England's clear cut best ever XI to take the field.


    So then I looked in the late 40's early 50's scorecards to hopefully find a crazy good lineup and found this gem from the 5th test of Aus's 53 tour of England


    Hutton
    Edrich
    May
    Compton
    Graveney
    Bailey
    Evans+
    Laker
    Lock
    Trueman
    Bedser


    ATG galore, from top to bottom. I'd say this is the best XI England ever put to out on the park, all things considered.



    Now what are some for other countries?
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    Great thread.

    WI seems straight forward enough, though it must be noted the quartet didn't all peak simultaneously eg when GOAT Marshall took over Holding was in and out due to injuries.
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    From the first test in Australia in 2012 . Ironically it's from probably the worst series defeat in Indian history, but it makes sense that this sort of XI would be seen in a period when the old guard is fading and the new greats are just coming in.

    Gambhir
    Sehwag
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Laxman
    Kohli
    Dhoni
    Ashwin
    Zaheer
    Ishant
    Umesh

    Can make a solid case for 8 of them to be in India's AT XI.
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    This XI has to be in the running for the West Indies.


    3rd Test, West Indies tour of Australia at Adelaide, Jan 26-30 1980 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

    It's not just the personnel; but also their stages of their careers. Maybe Haynes is a bit early in his career, and Rowe at the other end of his, but most of them are at their peaks. My only concern is that it doesn't include Marshall. I know that he didn't play many tests with all of Roberts, Holding and Garner, so maybe someone can dig out one of those as an alternative.
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    Not sure they all ever played together but these could have been phenomenal lineups.

    Jack Hobbs
    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Walter Hammond
    Patsy Hendren
    Phil Mead
    Douglas Jardine *
    Les Ames +
    Maurice Tate
    Harold Larwood
    Tich Freeman
    Charlie Parker

    Or

    Arthur Morris
    Sid Barnes
    Don Bradman *
    Lindsay Hassett
    Neil Harvey
    Bill Brown
    Keith Miller
    Ray Lindwall
    Don Tallon +
    Bill Johnston
    Ernie Toshack

    Or

    Len Hutton *
    Colin Cowdrey
    Peter May
    Denis Compton
    Keith Barrington
    Tom Graveney
    Godfrey Evans +
    Johnny Wardle
    Jim Laker
    Frank Tyson
    Brian Statham

    Or

    Barry Richards
    Eddie Barlow
    Ali Bacher *
    Graeme Pollock
    Lee Irvine
    Buster Farrer
    Denis Lindsay +
    Mike Proctor
    Trevor Goddard
    Tiger Lance
    Peter Pollock

    Or

    Gordon Greenidge
    Desmond Haynes
    Richie Richardson
    Viv Richards
    Clive Lloyd *
    Larry Gomes
    Jeff Dujon +
    Malcolm Marshall
    Andy Roberts
    Michael Holding
    Joel Garner

    Or

    Justin Langer
    Matthew Hayden
    Ricky Ponting
    Mark Waugh
    Steve Waugh *
    Damien Martyn
    Adam Gilchrist +
    Shane Warne
    Jason Gillespie
    Stuart MacGill
    Glenn McGrath

    Or

    Graeme Smith *
    Dean Elgar
    Jacques Kallis
    Hashim Amla
    AB de Villiers
    Faf du Plessis
    Quinton de Kock +
    Vernon Philander
    Dale Steyn
    Morne Morkel
    Kagiso Rabada
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    Langer
    Hayden
    Ponting
    Martyn
    Hussey
    Clarke
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lee
    Gillespie
    McGrath

    Aus might have had a stronger side in Bradman's time, 1948 invincibles or some such but hard to compare

    edit: ^or zebra's team probably just as good, though I'm not sure if that exact team played together.

    this is probably the closest to zebra's team:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1...rica-3rd-test/

    Just Lee played instead in GIllespie
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    From the first test in Australia in 2012 . Ironically it's from probably the worst series defeat in Indian history, but it makes sense that this sort of XI would be seen in a period when the old guard is fading and the new greats are just coming in.

    Gambhir
    Sehwag
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Laxman
    Kohli
    Dhoni
    Ashwin
    Zaheer
    Ishant
    Umesh

    Can make a solid case for 8 of them to be in India's AT XI.
    A bowling attack as good as the Indian ATG one.

    How horrid.
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    I don't think my team ever played together either, always at least 1 missing. Replace Gillespie with S Clark though and you get the 2006/07 Ashes side

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra View Post
    Not sure they all ever played together but these could have been phenomenal lineups.

    JB Hobbs
    H Sutcliffe
    WR Hammond
    EH Hendren
    CP Mead
    DR Jardine
    LG Ames +
    MW Tate
    H Larwood
    AP Freeman
    CWL Parker

    Or

    AR Morris
    SG Barnes
    DG Bradman
    AL Hassett
    RN Harvey
    WA Brown
    KR Miller
    RR Lindwall
    D Tallon +
    WA Johnston
    ERH Toshack

    Or

    L Hutton
    MC Cowdrey
    PBH May
    DCS Compton
    KF Barrington
    TW Graveney
    TG Evans +
    JH Wardle
    JS Laker
    FH Tyson
    JB Statham

    Or

    BA Richards
    EJ Barlow
    A Bacher
    RG Pollock
    BL Irvine
    WS Farrer
    DT Lindsay +
    MJ Proctor
    TL Goddard
    HR Lance
    PM Pollock

    Or

    CG Greenidge
    DL Haynes
    RB Richardson
    IVA Richards
    CH Lloyd
    HA Gomes
    PJL Dujon +
    MD Marshall
    AME Roberts
    MA Holding
    J Garner

    Or

    JL Langer
    ML Hayden
    RT Ponting
    ME Waugh
    SR Waugh
    DR Martyn
    AC Gilchrist +
    SK Warne
    JN Gillespie
    SCG MacGill
    GD McGrath
    Didn't Goddard play only a couple of innings as a non opener? Gomes probably the weakest link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    A bowling attack as good as the Indian ATG one.

    How horrid.
    if Ishant has a couple of good years he may actually make a case for India's AT Xi. Scary thought isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra View Post
    Graeme Smith *
    Dean Elgar
    Jacques Kallis
    Hashim Amla
    AB de Villiers
    Faf du Plessis
    Quinton de Kock +
    Vernon Philander
    Dale Steyn
    Morne Morkel
    Kagiso Rabada
    South Africa got very close to this one against India, just with Markram and Maharaj instead of Smith and Kallis.

    1st Test, India tour of South Africa at Cape Town, Jan 5-8 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    This XI has to be in the running for the West Indies.


    3rd Test, West Indies tour of Australia at Adelaide, Jan 26-30 1980 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

    It's not just the personnel; but also their stages of their careers. Maybe Haynes is a bit early in his career, and Rowe at the other end of his, but most of them are at their peaks. My only concern is that it doesn't include Marshall. I know that he didn't play many tests with all of Roberts, Holding and Garner, so maybe someone can dig out one of those as an alternative.
    The 84/85 tour probably tops that -

    Haynes
    Greenidge
    Richardson
    Gomes
    Richards
    Lloyd
    Dujon
    Marshall
    Holding
    Garner
    Walsh

    Admittedly not everyone was at their complete peaks, but when the worst player in that team is Larry Gomes, that is damn impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra View Post
    Graeme Smith *
    Dean Elgar
    Jacques Kallis
    Hashim Amla
    AB de Villiers
    Faf du Plessis
    Quinton de Kock +
    Vernon Philander
    Dale Steyn
    Morne Morkel
    Kagiso Rabada
    And another "near miss" for South Africa - Alviro Petersen and Robin Peterson instead of De Kock and Rabada.

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    It's interesting with Bradman whether to go pre war or post war.

    With a team from the 30s you can hook him up with Ponsford-Woodfull-Mccabe-Brown-Oldfield-OReilly-Grimmett


    It's missing pace bowlers but the 48 invincibles didn't have a notable spinner

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    Imagine if O'Reilly had lasted to the Invincibles tour. IRL Loxton/Johnson damages the side slightly, but everyone else was either at least an ATVG or only missed out through lack of Tests. Add O'Reilly and you have probably the greatest side of all-time.

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