Shri
Mr. Glass
IF WI start producing pace bowler friendly tracks in terms of bounce, Roach, Gabriel and Miguel Cummins would be good enough to snatch a test from any team they play against tbh. Well, maybe except for a full strength SA or Aus.
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Jason Holder
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Slifer
International Captain
An English atg for me, looks something like this:
Hutton
Hobbs
Hammond
Barrington
Compton
Botham
Knott+
Trueman
Larwood
Barnes
Laker
Joe Root can arguably fit in some where in the middle order. Even if u consider that a stretch, the overall point is that all teams have recently produced world class players except WI.
Slifer
International Captain
Maybe. But our batting lineup would get run through pretty easily as well. Our batsmen really need to man up and learn patience.
trundler
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England have only been good in. ODIs lately though. Root can definitely displace Barrington or some other middle order bat when he retires. Anderson is beaten by Barnes and Bedser for the medium fast swing bowler spot. I'll take your word on Ashwin.
trundler
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That's exactly mine too. Root can have the 3rd middle order spot after Hammond and Compton. I agree with your point though. Went off on a tangent.
Shri
Mr. Glass
You don't have to. Kumble only has longevity over Ash and nothing else.
trundler
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What about the spin quartet?
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
He is a solid allrounder but how well he does from here will depend on how he uses himself.
He is not a third seamer in a 4 man attack against top quality sides. He will be the weakest link in that unit. Not even Stokes or Hardik Pandya are the third best seamers in their respective sides.
He is however a very good fourth seamer behind Roach, Gabriel and Cummins/Joseph in a 5 man attack.
Good enough to bat at 7.
So basically he allows West Indies to play 5-5-1 but if they change the balance and opt to go with a 4 man attack, it won't quite work against the top sides
a massive zebra
International Captain
No need to state your personal opinions as dogmatic facts. Plenty of people would pick Weekes, Walcott and Garner in their West Indian ATG side.
a massive zebra
International Captain
Again, please don't be so didactic. That Root and Ashwin don't make their countries ATG team is your opinion and nothing more.
Slifer
International Captain
Yeah I could see Walcott and garner in a wi si. Weekes less so
trundler
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Walcott as 'keeper would be great but that's cheating.
Maybe I should have said it's hard to squeeze them into a West Indian ATG XI.
TheJediBrah
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Don't you know that every post on here has to be prefaced but "IMO" otherwise someone will complain
Shady Slim
International Coach
i have a lot of love for holder because he's had to put himself through herculean spells against really strong teams while having dross opposite him giving no assistance, and he's done it without complaint, and he's now being rewarded
finally getting to be closer to where he deserves
finally getting to be closer to where he deserves
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Agreed. But now he's got the support of a fine seam bowling attack around him. Here's our current selection of seamers and their averages:
Opening bowler: Shannon Gabriel (111 wickets at 29)
Opening bowler: Kemar Roach (163 wickets at 28)
Third seamer: Miguel Cummins (27 wickets at 37)
Fourth seamer/all rounder: Jason Holder (81 wickets at 29)
Back up seamers:
Keemo Paul (FC 57 wickets at 17)
Alzari Joseph (16 wickets at 38)
That's pretty impressive tbh. So I think averaging 30-35 with the bat and around 30 with the ball is going to be his career stats. Maybe even better given the bowling support he is going to have.
"padding his stats" lol what a dumbass
Who even asks such a question.. especially about someone who is literally the Number 1 All Rounder in the world. 6'7 player too, which is even more bonkers. Number 2 All Rounder now, i think. After Stokes
Clearly you never even watched Holder play, but still out here saying insinuating stupid garbage.. Discuss it with yourself boy, in front of a mirror