Tuffey

[Loony BoB]

I think I'm one of the unlucky people who has never seen a game where Tuffey really shone out, yet somehow he's ranked in the top ten in the world over at PwC... I honestly have no idea how that happened. I wish I knew, because I'd rather be proud of my country than slightly embarrassed about a player being highly overrated. Can anyone tell me why in the world he's rated so highly, when he always just seemed so... mediocre/average to me? Have I missed something?

EDIT: Oh man, his bowling average is over 28, too! x_x I don't get it.

[marc71178]

He's a form bowler who has had some good performances in recent times against decent batsmen.

I can't wait to see him over here to be honest...

[chicane]

He bowled well against us at home and also in NZ (the only two times i've sincerely seen him bowl). IMO he's a good bowler.

[Neil Pickup]

I'm looking forward to seeing him - he's put in a lot of hard yards lately, and his performance on the India tour was excellent in context.

[cbuts]

if bond is fit, i think he will struggle to make the XI. martin will be ahead of him in the picking order, after his recent south african series

[Sudeep]

Originally Posted by TDCC Young Guns

if bond is fit, i think he will struggle to make the XI. martin will be ahead of him in the picking order, after his recent south african series

I would rate Tuffey higher than Martin.

Martin was very mediocre when he first came on the scene. Yes, he bowled well against SAF during the recent series, but Tuffey has proved his worth over a period of time, unlike Martin.

[Tim]

Tuffey is never going to be a big draw-card..he's probably the equivilent of a Mark Richardson with the ball. But over the last 18 months he's quietly improved to the point where batsmen most likely believe he's their worst nightmare on a pitch that has a decent amount of seam-movement.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Sudeep Popat

I would rate Tuffey higher than Martin.

Martin was very mediocre when he first came on the scene. Yes, he bowled well against SAF during the recent series, but Tuffey has proved his worth over a period of time, unlike Martin.

That maybe so, BUT he did take at least 18 wickets v South Africa and Martin does deserve a run in English conditions.

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by Tim

Tuffey is never going to be a big draw-card..he's probably the equivilent of a Mark Richardson with the ball. But over the last 18 months he's quietly improved to the point where batsmen most likely believe he's their worst nightmare on a pitch that has a decent amount of seam-movement.

It's always this sort of player you have to be more wary of IMO.

Tuffey is the danger bowler I think.

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by Craig

That maybe so, BUT he did take at least 18 wickets v South Africa and Martin does deserve a run in English conditions.

I disagree - if it's a choice between proven over long time or 2 good games I would go for the long term option - especially if he's bowling better over here (which I believe Tuffey is)

[Tim]

As I said, for the last 18 months Tuffey has bowled exceptionally well (apart from the South African series where he was carrying an injury). It's a shame that most people only remember a player from the last series rather than over a longer period of time because he was bowling very consistently up until his indifferent results v South Africa.

Martin was fantastic against South Africa, but I feel he'll need to keep that up for a long while yet to overtake Tuffey.
He's more likely to leapfrog Bond who is still to prove himself in test cricket.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by marc71178

I disagree - if it's a choice between proven over long time or 2 good games I would go for the long term option - especially if he's bowling better over here (which I believe Tuffey is)

I never actually said Tuffey would sit out. So maybe your reading in between the lines, I mean I'm not sure on how fit Bond is, so there is no reason why Tuffey and Martin cant play?

[Sudeep]

Originally Posted by Craig

I never actually said Tuffey would sit out. So maybe your reading in between the lines, I mean I'm not sure on how fit Bond is, so there is no reason why Tuffey and Martin cant play?

Originally Posted by marc71178

I disagree - if it's a choice between proven over long time or 2 good games I would go for the long term option - especially if he's bowling better over here (which I believe Tuffey is)

[cbuts]

tuffey is an average bowler who has had the privilliage of playing inida on soft green seamers. richardson could get wickets bowling pace with those circumstances.

Originally Posted by Tim

Tuffey is never going to be a big draw-card..he's probably the equivilent of a Mark Richardson with the ball. But over the last 18 months he's quietly improved to the point where batsmen most likely believe he's their worst nightmare on a pitch that has a decent amount of seam-movement.

WTF richardson is one of the funniest crickets weve got, and dont forget the 2nd most important one. only flem would get picked ahead of him

if bond is fit, he is the best bowler we have got

[tooextracool]

Originally Posted by marc71178

It's always this sort of player you have to be more wary of IMO.

Tuffey is the danger bowler I think.

tuffey will be a very good support bowler in this series and it will be very difficult to get runs of him. however if NZ cant get another bowler to be their main strike weapon and tuffey ends up being their most potent bowler in the entire attack then their chances of winning this series dont look too good.