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    Like England's gonna finish in the top two.

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    It's just a hypothetical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Who will host the World Test Championship final? - ESPNcricinfo

    I think I agree with the BCCI. Fair enough that the top team gets to have an advantage.

    Good point as we all know it never rains in England in June
    In all honestly it would be terrible if the host nation was SA (not saying SA will be no1!) Have to play it in CT only chance to get a full stadium, really. Of course if played in Eng, India or Aus no real problems. I am still a fan of having it at Lord's, to start at least.
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    Having the winner get home advantage might seem like the most logical thing to do, but the scheduling is going to cause problems. Take two teams like AUS and India, who always beat each other at home. India is number 1, AUS number 3 in the world. If India plays away vs AUS only, they lose. This catapults AUS to number 1 in the period, so they play home and win again. Who hosts the first series now (to a fair degree) determines the result of that series, the group pool, the one off test, and the entire tournament.

    In two year increments, it might be best to go neutral, which based on pitches and crowds should either be England or India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolo View Post
    Having the winner get home advantage might seem like the most logical thing to do, but the scheduling is going to cause problems. Take two teams like AUS and India, who always beat each other at home. India is number 1, AUS number 3 in the world. If India plays away vs AUS only, they lose. This catapults AUS to number 1 in the period, so they play home and win again. Who hosts the first series now (to a fair degree) determines the result of that series, the group pool, the one off test, and the entire tournament.

    In two year increments, it might be best to go neutral, which based on pitches and crowds should either be England or India.
    I'm not seeing what you're getting at here at all. The team would be playing at home because they finish on top. Therefore they deserve the advantage. If the final is Aus v Ind and it's in Australia, then it means Aus finished on top and deserve the advantage, and vice-versa.

    The tour programme rotates anyway, so if Aus v Ind series is in Aus one time, it will be India the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I'm not seeing what you're getting at here at all. The team would be playing at home because they finish on top. Therefore they deserve the advantage. If the final is Aus v Ind and it's in Australia, then it means Aus finished on top and deserve the advantage, and vice-versa.

    The tour programme rotates anyway, so if Aus v Ind series is in Aus one time, it will be India the next.
    They finish on top not because they deserve it, but because of scheduling.

    Yes, the scheduling will rotate. All this means is that a different (less deserving) team could win it each time. Next rotation England could be the best with AUS still at 3. AUS only play England home, and win the tournament again. Cycles are not always going to even out because team strength is dynamic, and even if they did it still leaves a problem with each event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I'm not seeing what you're getting at here at all. The team would be playing at home because they finish on top. Therefore they deserve the advantage. If the final is Aus v Ind and it's in Australia, then it means Aus finished on top and deserve the advantage, and vice-versa.

    The tour programme rotates anyway, so if Aus v Ind series is in Aus one time, it will be India the next.
    They finish on top not because they deserve it, but because of scheduling.

    Yes, the scheduling will rotate. All this means is that a different (less deserving) team could win it each time. Next rotation England could be the best with AUS still at 3. AUS only play England home, and win the tournament again. Cycles are not always going to even out because team strength is dynamic, and even if they did it still leaves a problem with each event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolo View Post
    They finish on top not because they deserve it, but because of scheduling.

    Yes, the scheduling will rotate. All this means is that a different (less deserving) team could win it each time. Next rotation England could be the best with AUS still at 3. AUS only play England home, and win the tournament again. Cycles are not always going to even out because team strength is dynamic, and even if they did it still leaves a problem with each event.
    Yeah I agree, I said the same thing earlier. Unless you make the final every 4-5 years though there's no way around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Yeah I agree, I said the same thing earlier. Unless you make the final every 4-5 years though there's no way around it.
    Which is probably not frequent enough for the ICC.

    No way to completely get around the problem, but playing the final at a neutral venue- means it is substantially less impactful- while the two best teams may not qualify for the final the best of the two should win at a neutral venue

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    Yeah that's actually a very good point. You can theoretically guarantee someone with a good rotation can make the final, but not guarantee that they'll win it. But it doesn't really solve the issue if it's an Asian team v non-Asian team.

    Say it's Aus v India, just because it's a neutral venue doesn't mean it's fair. If it's in Eng, SA, NZ then Aus have a huge advantage. Likewise if it's in SL, BD then India have a huge advantage.

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    Also you'd need sporting pitches otherwise the same issue we have with the Shield final could arise, ie. the team that finished on top only needs a draw and it ruins the match from the get go with only 1 team needing to force a win.

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    I went through it and it is a dog's dinner of a competition format.

    I imagine a lot of cricket tragics will simply ignore the thing which is basically what we already do with the current test championship, and did for Strauss's Super Series that was rolled-out for Sri Lanka/Pakistan, with which everybody disregarded or just plain forgot (about) and treated as traditional bilaterals.

    They'd have to give this one a much bigger push than the current test championship, marketing wise, trophy wise - obviously you'd have the uniqueness of ''a final''.

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    At this point the #1 spot in the ICC rankings is more valuable that the championship. The latter does make things a bit more fun though.

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    You can't fix this 100%, but as a partial solution, doctor the pitch. Greentop in Asia, dry pitch outside. Still gives someone an advantage, but not so extreme as home advantage. Playing on an English pitch that offers turn wouldnt hugely favour AUS or India.

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