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'Test cricket won't be around in time' - Brendon McCullum

Mr Miyagi

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Sky NZ is unrelated as far as I know.

It is unrelated in terms of ownership. But I am sure Sky NZ is using the same hardware as Sky UK (just behind them). Not just the older boxes too. So there is clearly some good relationship between these companies.
 
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quincywagstaff

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Who would've guessed a person who gave up Tests to get more money by playing T20 leagues all year round would give an opinion to justify that?
 

Mr Miyagi

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"Long long-term, I see a T20 franchise as owning players, and I don't see them releasing those players to play for their nation in a Test match," McCullum said.
I think this is the most controversial and thought provoking thing that he has said but I don't think anyone else touched on it yet. I don't think BMac meant own as in slavery terms, but lets look at dual National Board (FC or international annual) and part time T20 League contracted players.

The ramifications of this are massive, given most nations are now operating in an international IPL window of no cricket beside Ireland and Pakistan. He either thinks that the IPL will expand significantly past this window to the point of impacting on the English summer or Antipodean summer down south. Altnernatively that they want the players for a year to control how much cricket they play to make sure they're fit for their tournaments, instead of injuring themseles playing for their country in tests. Either way - this is quite some step from today.

Alternatively he thinks a new tournament will come along. Either way, with No Objection Certfiicates required for nationally contracted player to play in the IPL/BBL/CPL at present, he either thinks that the current T20 tournaments will go independent on the ICC (like ICL was) or a new league will be established or players will stop signing with the Boards annually, and just one big t20 franchise that will control what cricket that player may play. Wow.

Which then leads to a more interesting debate further down, if T20 eats away into test and international cricket by not releasing the players, T20 with its foregin player quotas will probably ultimately not just destroy test cricket outside the big 3, it will damage irrepairably to b grade sport status all international cricket nations without a big fancy t20 tournament of their own. Cricket isn't like soccer where there are over 100 countries, if not many more, good enough to qualify for a World Cup. And Cricket isn't like the NBA in that most the best talent is American produced in the High Schools and Colleges. Current cricket talent is produced in 10 or so nations, but those without a fancy t20 comp -the odds of getting picked and with less future internationals to display those wares, and less money, many just won't take it up as a career for the hope of an IPL contract, and without the international games, the fans in those countries will have nothing they want to watch.

So I guess the question is, can the IPL survive as big as it is now, with far less foreign imports of sufficeint talent available, because that is the T20 "owning" players will ultimately head. Do imports make the t20 tournaments bigger and better events for fans? On the bright side, the quotas will often be redundant and unnecessary. Sure the likes of R Ten Doeschate and R Khan will continue to be unsurface. But this is bit like the goose and the golden egg, or a parasite that requires a living host to thrive scenario.

If t20 as a parasite want to own players the way national boards do now acting as the host that supplies players, then they will be killing the goose and severely limiting the international flavour - but does this matter for the IPL or a new t20 comp to remain super big in India? Will Inidan fans keep watching to see the best Indian talent? Even if cricketing nations start dropping off the radar. Given the way the BBL thrives wihtout the best Aus players and only 2 imports - it just may. Bmac's argument isn't just limited to tests, that will just be the first casualty if there are any at all, it is actually international cricket as we know it.

Thoughts?

It would be nice to see some senior players speak encouragingly of the test championship. Acknowledge the efforts to make an IPL window. And to continue to suggest how things may improve.

I even wonder had there been an IPL window before Brendon retired, whether he would have retired, because the $400k he'd pocket from playing for NZ, would fairly rival CPL, BBL, PSL and BCL. I know that the England 2015 tour cost him a lost of IPL dollars, and he retired before the next IPL. I'm not sure whether he is just drawing on personal experiences or if he is looking at how ICC nations are being very proactive now about this situation.
 
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harsh.ag

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Wouldn't be awful to have test cricket under a franchise model and not the nations model imo
 

Daemon

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Wouldn't be awful to have test cricket under a franchise model and not the nations model imo
The advantages are that you have teams that are a lot more evenly matched.

**** that though. I can't imagine supporting a franchise over my country in cricket. Just feels gross.
 

Flem274*

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Question for the thread - what makes test cricket so different from endurance racing, or similar length feature races?

There are continuous 24 hour races, Le Mans and Daytona being just two, and they get both crowds at the event and a big TV audience. The Indy 500 is on soon and that again gets a massive crowd and TV audience. For one weekend a year Indycar not only pips NASCAR but also forces F1 to plonk Monaco on the same day.

Australians who couldn't tell you what the other tracks on the V8 calendar are still know what a Bathurst is, and we run a 6 hour touring car race there in October and a 12 hour GT race there early in the year that gets a solid following now.

These races are bloody long and need more subtle tactics than free for all dive bombing, much like test cricket needs more than trying to whack it every ball, so since these races do all right what's the difference?

I'd watch a 24 hour test tbh, would be really interesting, or a series that mixed up enduros (tests) with sprints (odis, T20 etc) but forced you to keep one team rather than specialists for each format.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
I think atherton suggested a combined formats series where you could only pick from a squad of 13 or so. Thus hopefully keeping a lot of the white ball format only players involved in the longer game.

Aren't these events your talking about a 1 a year kind of event? i suppose a lot of the board wouldn't mind one test a year.
 

Daemon

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Question for the thread - what makes test cricket so different from endurance racing, or similar length feature races?

There are continuous 24 hour races, Le Mans and Daytona being just two, and they get both crowds at the event and a big TV audience. The Indy 500 is on soon and that again gets a massive crowd and TV audience. For one weekend a year Indycar not only pips NASCAR but also forces F1 to plonk Monaco on the same day.

Australians who couldn't tell you what the other tracks on the V8 calendar are still know what a Bathurst is, and we run a 6 hour touring car race there in October and a 12 hour GT race there early in the year that gets a solid following now.

These races are bloody long and need more subtle tactics than free for all dive bombing, much like test cricket needs more than trying to whack it every ball, so since these races do all right what's the difference?

I'd watch a 24 hour test tbh, would be really interesting, or a series that mixed up enduros (tests) with sprints (odis, T20 etc) but forced you to keep one team rather than specialists for each format.
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cnerd123

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To me a 5 day Test is like watching a novel unfold live in front of you. There are 22 characters, some more important than others, and if you include the umpires there are 24. There is narration by means of the commentators and media teams. Each session is a new chapter, each innings and new section, and if all done well it's 4 days of slow boil leading to an exciting conclusion.

An entire Test series then becomes like a series of books - re occuring characters and plotlines that connect the three Tests, some new faces show up and old ones leave, the conditions and challenges faced change with each book.

A T20 is just another action flick. It can be flashy, have the best cast, and incredible depth in storytelling - but it's over in 3 hours. You don't put it down at the end of the day and hop on a forum to discuss how far you and the other readers have come along. You don't sleep on it, looking to wake up next morning and resume. You don't take time to review what you just read and let is all sink in.

Tests are a special thing.
 

vcs

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To me a 5 day Test is like watching a novel unfold live in front of you. There are 22 characters, some more important than others, and if you include the umpires there are 24. There is narration by means of the commentators and media teams. Each session is a new chapter, each innings and new section, and if all done well it's 4 days of slow boil leading to an exciting conclusion.

An entire Test series then becomes like a series of books - re occuring characters and plotlines that connect the three Tests, some new faces show up and old ones leave, the conditions and challenges faced change with each book.

A T20 is just another action flick. It can be flashy, have the best cast, and incredible depth in storytelling - but it's over in 3 hours. You don't put it down at the end of the day and hop on a forum to discuss how far you and the other readers have come along. You don't sleep on it, looking to wake up next morning and resume. You don't take time to review what you just read and let is all sink in.

Tests are a special thing.
No one includes the umpires
 

Kirkut

International Regular
Truth of life slippy, nothing beats time, everything is in a state of flux. Like how people are not depressed when switching from abacus to electronic computers same should hold for cricket. This is coming from a test cricket purist like me.
 

Kirkut

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Having said that T20 can and should have balance between bat and ball. I get overwhelmed to see Rohit Sharma with his high tech weapon hammering 115 kph deliveries from Kulasekara and Perera into the third tier.
 

TheJediBrah

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Question for the thread - what makes test cricket so different from endurance racing, or similar length feature races?

There are continuous 24 hour races, Le Mans and Daytona being just two, and they get both crowds at the event and a big TV audience. The Indy 500 is on soon and that again gets a massive crowd and TV audience. For one weekend a year Indycar not only pips NASCAR but also forces F1 to plonk Monaco on the same day.

Australians who couldn't tell you what the other tracks on the V8 calendar are still know what a Bathurst is, and we run a 6 hour touring car race there in October and a 12 hour GT race there early in the year that gets a solid following now.

These races are bloody long and need more subtle tactics than free for all dive bombing, much like test cricket needs more than trying to whack it every ball, so since these races do all right what's the difference?

I'd watch a 24 hour test tbh, would be really interesting, or a series that mixed up enduros (tests) with sprints (odis, T20 etc) but forced you to keep one team rather than specialists for each format.
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