The Fourth Reich: Justin Langer Appointed Australian Head Coach

[TheJediBrah]

Ah! What would we do without the media?

First they created a situation where a sensible decision could never be taken: don't ban anyone from playing cricket, but remove Smith from the captaincy, for ever.
Now they are trying to create an atmosphere where the public opinion would eventually become strongly in favour of the re-investiture as captain of a cheat who was caught red-handed.

While I agree with the disparaging of the media in this whole fiasco, I see this last shift as more of a necessary course correction that further insanity. I think you're a bit ignorant of the facts, calling Smith a "cheat who was caught red-handed". I'd be surprised if he ever actually ball tampered, possibly had a peripheral idea that something was going on but even that's not certain. If Smith is a "cheat" then what would you call guys like Tendulkar who actually were caught tampering red-handed? Super cheats?

 

[Borges]

This is what the laws of cricket has to say about this:
"The captains are responsible for ensuring that play is conducted within The Spirit of Cricket, as described in The Preamble – The Spirit of Cricket, as well as within the Laws."

Smith - the captain who clearly knew about it and permitted it - is a bigger cheat than either Bancroft (who carried out the nefarious designs of his team) or Warner (who is believed to have brought up the idea). In my book, he is unfit to be the captain of any cricket team: even the Australian team.

For the record, I would call anyone who tampered with the ball illegally (whether it was caught or not) a cheat;
those who believed that using things like bottle caps or sandpaper was an acceptable idea are the super cheats.

 

[cnerd123]

This is what the laws of cricket has to say about this:
"The captains are responsible for ensuring that play is conducted within The Spirit of Cricket, as described in The Preamble – The Spirit of Cricket, as well as within the Laws."

Smith - the captain who clearly knew about it and permitted it - is a bigger cheat than either Bancroft (who carried out the nefarious designs of his team) or Warner (who is believed to have brought up the idea). In my book, he is unfit to be the captain of any cricket team: even the Australian team.

For the record, I would call anyone who tampered with the ball illegally (whether it was caught or not) a cheat;
those who believed that using things like bottle caps or sandpaper was an acceptable idea are the super cheats.

lol

 

[TheJediBrah]

This is what the laws of cricket has to say about this:
"The captains are responsible for ensuring that play is conducted within The Spirit of Cricket, as described in The Preamble – The Spirit of Cricket, as well as within the Laws."

Smith - the captain who clearly knew about it and permitted it - is a bigger cheat than either Bancroft (who carried out the nefarious designs of his team) or Warner (who is believed to have brought up the idea). In my book, he is unfit to be the captain of any cricket team: even the Australian team.

For the record, I would call anyone who tampered with the ball illegally (whether it was caught or not) a cheat;
those who believed that using things like bottle caps or sandpaper was an acceptable idea are the super cheats.

Do you hold similar views on other perpetrators? eg. Faf, Atherton, Tendulker, the entire English cricket team since 2005 etc

IMO sandpaper/bottle caps isn't any worse than mints/sweeteners to shine the ball. If anything the opposite as use of mints has actually been shown to affect the balls movement whereas the sandpaper did demonstrably **** all. The umps even examined the ball afterward and were happy with it.

 

[Borges]

Do you hold similar views on other perpetrators?

Yes.

I do not believe in the existence of an imaginary "line" which someone has drawn; where breaking the rules within this "line" (which can be conveniently moved) is playing "hard but fair."

If smearing the ball with a foul smelling icky goo with saliva as the base or picking the seam with sharpened claws is not cheating, and contributes to the betterment of the game, write it into the laws of cricket or permit it under the rules of the ICC.

I must add that I find this oft repeated Aussie nonsense about "the entire English cricket team since 2005" being perpetrators of ball tampering eminently laughable.

 

[cnerd123]

For the record, I would call anyone who tampered with the ball illegally (whether it was caught or not) a cheat;

I must add that I find this oft repeated Aussie nonsense about "the entire English cricket team since 2005" being perpetrators of ball tampering eminently laughable.

But by your logic you do not need for them to have been caught to be cheats.

 

[Gnske]

I agree with Borges actually. Makes sense in terms of Smith's role. You wouldn't forgive Karl Donitz for the holocaust just because he knew Hitler had a final solution but never bothered to ask what it was.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I must add that I find this oft repeated Aussie nonsense about "the entire English cricket team since 2005" being perpetrators of ball tampering eminently laughable.

eh, it's an exaggeration with a heavy basis in fact

I applaud you at least having a consistent opinion, it's more than you can say about a lot of "fans" out there

 

[S.Kennedy]

Do you hold similar views on other perpetrators? eg. Faf, Atherton, Tendulker, the entire English cricket team since 2005 etc

IMO sandpaper/bottle caps isn't any worse than mints/sweeteners to shine the ball. If anything the opposite as use of mints has actually been shown to affect the balls movement whereas the sandpaper did demonstrably **** all. The umps even examined the ball afterward and were happy with it.

Huh?

 

[Red]

I agree with Borges actually. Makes sense in terms of Smith's role. You wouldn't forgive Karl Donitz for the holocaust just because he knew Hitler had a final solution but never bothered to ask what it was.

Deliberately invoking Godwin's Law to end the thread?

 

[Starfighter]

Deliberately invoking Godwin's Law to end the thread?

You must be new here.

 

[Daemon]

Meanwhile Lehmann's back in the set up

Darren Lehmann re-hired by Cricket Australia just six weeks after stepping down from head coach role

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's just a cover, his actual role will be leading the research into effective methods of hiding ball-tampering from modern surveillance equipment so that we never face a similar issue again

also composing a meta-analysis of research data on "the line" and "where it is" to ensure optimal utilisation of abusive sledging, but maintaining deniability and moral high-ground, for future generations of Australian cricketers.

 

[Second Spitter]

Do you hold similar views on other perpetrators? eg. Faf, Atherton, Tendulker, the entire English cricket team since 2005 etc

IMO sandpaper/bottle caps isn't any worse than mints/sweeteners to shine the ball. If anything the opposite as use of mints has actually been shown to affect the balls movement whereas the sandpaper did demonstrably **** all. The umps even examined the ball afterward and were happy with it.

You forgot zippers.

Deliberately invoking Godwin's Law to end the thread?

Then the thread should have ended when the subject header was typed.

 

[Gnske]

You forgot zippers.



Then the thread should have ended when the subject header was typed.

Literally couldn't agree more

 

[Senile Sentry]

Justin Langer: If Allan Border had asked, I would have tampered with the ball

No surprises there. Defending Bancroft already.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He's got some cojones coming out saying that he would've ball tampered

The new coach supposed to change Australia's image too . . . just lol

 

[mr_mister]

Lol he barely played under Border


What a dick

 

[TheJediBrah]

I can just picture Sutherland face palming

 

[cnerd123]

Not surprised that Alan Border would ask his players to tamper the ball

Not surprised that a former Australian player and current Australian coach would gladly do it

Not surprised in the slightest

#CheatingAussies #ThisIsWhyYouDontGetToKeepYourNicknames