Hyped English batsman in county cricket

[slippy888]

That failed at international level Jason Gallian is one name a few.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

John Morris
Ravi Bopara
Mark Lathwell

 

[slippy888]

Alan Wells

 

[Bijed]

Graeme Hick and Mark Ramprakash

 

[fredfertang]

Hick, Crawley, Ramprakash, Bailey, McGrath, Moxon, Barnett, Fairbrother, Hayes, Curtis, Barnett, Ed Smith, Maynard, Morris, James, Afzaal, Habib are the first set of names that trip off the tongue

 

[AndrewB]

Were many of those (barring Hick and Ramprakash) "hyped"? I don't remember anyone saying (e.g.) "Tim Curtis will be the backbone of England's batting for the next decade!" Most of those I don't think got much beyond "Tim Curtis's county form shows that he deserves a go in the England side". (Living in Gloucestershire, I encountered plenty of comments that Alleyne/Snape/Russell/whoever should be in the England ODI side when Glos kept winning one-day trophies, but I don't think that sort of thing really counts either).

That said, the players I do remember being most obviously hyped (besides Hick and maybe Ramprakash) were the Hollioakes, especially Ben.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Yes. And with Cook's endless partners, it is more a case of, ''he looks good: perhaps he'll be the answer''. I wouldn't call any of them hyped. Perhaps Duckett had a bit of hype floating around him?

 

[Pothas]

Yeah Duckett was certainly the one I was most excited about, had a brilliant season and played some really standout innings. Hameed as well I suppose.

The rest were just 'lets hope this one does ok.' That has pretty much been the case for everyone that had made their debut recently.

 

[ImpatientLime]

joe root

 

[ImpatientLime]

Hick, Crawley, Ramprakash, Bailey, McGrath, Moxon, Barnett, Fairbrother, Hayes, Curtis, Barnett, Ed Smith, Maynard, Morris, James, Afzaal, Habib are the first set of names that trip off the tongue

habib is outright the worst test batsman i've ever seen for england. so ****.

 

[AndrewB]

Yeah Duckett was certainly the one I was most excited about, had a brilliant season and played some really standout innings. Hameed as well I suppose.

It'd be harsh to say that Hameed has "failed at international level", though - in fact I think most of his hype came after he'd looked OK in the Tests he played. (Also true of Hick and Fairbrother if you include ODIs).

 

[Athlai]

Not English but county cricket - James Franklin

 

[TheJediBrah]

inevitable when you have a domestic comp with so many teams. The gap to Test cricket is that much larger

 

[Firebreaker]

Tom Westley

 

[Borges]

inevitable when you have a domestic comp with so many teams. The gap to Test cricket is that much larger

They have two divisions; the minnows play in division two.
In theory this should work well; first step up from division two to division one, and then from there on to test cricket.

 

[Firebreaker]

They have two divisions; the minnows play in division two.
In theory this should work well; first step up from division two to division one, and then from there on to test cricket.

Duckett was picked straight from Div 2

 

[cnerd123]

They have two divisions; the minnows play in division two.
In theory this should work well; first step up from division two to division one, and then from there on to test cricket.

It still means all the talent in the country is divided amongst all the 18 odd teams. You never have a perfect situation where the top 130 cricketers are in Div 1 and the next 130 are in Div 2. Realistically some of the best cricketers end up in Div 2 because that's their county/better money/opportunities while some cricketers just make up the numbers in Div 1 or are part of the county's long term development or something.

On top of that it's better to have the best 100 or so cricketers just play each other all the time rather than the best 250 or so play each other. Sure you get more styles and techniques and conditions in such a large competition, but the decline in quality makes you wonder if it's worth it

 

[TheJediBrah]

They have two divisions; the minnows play in division two.
In theory this should work well; first step up from division two to division one, and then from there on to test cricket.

That makes absolutely no sense. Unless I'm mistaken, players don't get promoted to division 1 teams when they start performing. You can have strong and weak players in each time in either division. Division 1 might be slightly higher standard but it's not like every single player in Division 1 is better than every single player in division 2.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It still means all the talent in the country is divided amongst all the 18 odd teams. You never have a perfect situation where the top 130 cricketers are in Div 1 and the next 130 are in Div 2. Realistically some of the best cricketers end up in Div 2 because that's their county/better money/opportunities while some cricketers just make up the numbers in Div 1 or are part of the county's long term development or something.

On top of that it's better to have the best 100 or so cricketers just play each other all the time rather than the best 250 or so play each other. Sure you get more styles and techniques and conditions in such a large competition, but the decline in quality makes you wonder if it's worth it

That's what I always thought, but when you consider how many overseas players (& kolpak etc.) in every team over there it helps a bit with the quality.

 

[Athlai]

TBF there aren't many domestic cricket systems better than Englands, their second division is still superior in terms of quality compared to plenty of first class "domestic" cricket in other countries.