Wisden's Cricketers of the Century

[Sehwag309]

Originally Posted by orangepitch

exactly.

Who else?

[bennyr]

Originally Posted by a massive zebra

Hammond was not far behind in terms of weight of runs and centuries. At both first class and Test level he averaged more than Hobbs and had a better innings per century ratio. If you also add his slip fielding and bowling I think he should be ranked higher.

Let's not forget that Hobbs was an opener, and that by the nature of their positions openers tend to average less than middle order batsmen. Hobbs also dominated his era, whereas the same cannot be said for Hammond, and I reckon such things are important when you discuss "Cricketers of the century".

This may also partially explain the inclusion of Warne, something I'm not comfortable with. I reckon other bowlers such as Dennis Lillee, Sidney Barnes and Imran Khan have possibly equal claims to the bowler's spot. Methinks Warne could be the token modern day player.

[Neil Pickup]

Originally Posted by orangepitch

People keep bringing up that point about him reviving leg spin and all that ****. Spin would have been dead maybe in Australia or england, not in the subcontinent. Shane warne hasnt done anything to revive spin in South Africa or England.

I'm sorry, but that's rubbish.

Warne has had a huge influence on spin in England, ever since "that" ball.

I know it inspired me, for one.

[Deja moo]

Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

I'm sorry, but that's rubbish.

Warne has had a huge influence on spin in England, ever since "that" ball.

I know it inspired me, for one.

You mean the ball that Abdul Qadir had already bowled before Warne but wasnt inspiring coz he wasnt Australian or English ?

[Scallywag]

Originally Posted by orangepitch

You mean the ball that Abdul Qadir had already bowled before Warne but wasnt inspiring coz he wasnt Australian or English ?

Explain what you mean.

This will be interesting to see your intestional fortitude.

[Ford_GTHO351]

Jack Hobbs Test Batting Record
61 Matches, 5410 runs@ 56.94

Jack Hobbs FC Batting Record
834 Matches, 61760 runs@ 50.70


Wally Hammond's Test Batting Record
85 Matches, 7249 runs@ 58.45

Wally Hammond's FC Batting Record
634 Matches, 50551 runs@ 56.10

Now whilst Hammond has a better Test & FC average, as mentioned previously, Hobbs was an opener and by being an opener your average tends to be lower than a middle order batsman. Also you have to wonder if Hammond could of maintaned his FC average of 56.10 considering he played exactly 200 less FC matches than Hobbs.

[Neil Pickup]

Originally Posted by orangepitch

You mean the ball that Abdul Qadir had already bowled before Warne but wasnt inspiring coz he wasnt Australian or English ?

How many kids of my generation and younger saw Qadir in action?

Most of them won't even have heard of him, while everyone knows who Warne is.

[Deja moo]

Originally Posted by Scallywag

Explain what you mean.

This will be interesting to see your intestional fortitude.

AAAahh , big words. So you did graduate from Kindergarten !

[Ford_GTHO351]

Originally Posted by orangepitch

warne hasnt done anything to revive spin in South Africa or England.

Well you must be on a different planet then

Ever since he bowled that famous first ball to Mike Gatting in 1993, England have been mentally scared ever since by Warne

[Deja moo]

Regarding the " ball of the century "....Abdul Qadir had already bowled the delivery that pitched outside leg and clipped off stump. Only it didnt recieve much attention . But when Warne bowls it in an Ashes match, it becomes an inspiration.

[Deja moo]

Originally Posted by Ford_GTHO351

Well you must be on a different planet then

Ever since he bowled that famous first ball to Mike Gatting in 1993, England have been mentally scared ever since by Warne

So england are scared.

How did that revive spin in England ?

[PY]

Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

How many kids of my generation and younger saw Qadir in action?

Most of them won't even have heard of him, while everyone knows who Warne is.

Well, what he is. A over-weight genius with a mouth bigger than his girth.

And he's alright at bowling too.

[Deja moo]

Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

How many kids of my generation and younger saw Qadir in action?

Most of them won't even have heard of him, while everyone knows who Warne is.

I agree with you in that not many have seen Qadir in action.

That still doesnt explain the lack of spinners in England ( you excluded of course ! )

[PY]

Neil isn't a spinner. He's the local waiter for Caistor Cricket Club.

He loves serving pies.

[Deja moo]

Originally Posted by PY

Neil isn't a spinner. He's the local waiter for Caistor Cricket Club.

He loves serving pies.