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    Home advantage in Cricket..

    Do you think cricket is the sport where the venue and climate can have most impact on the outcome of the match, out of any sport??

    I guess the conditions and venue of a Formula 1 race has a strong bearing on the result, with guys like Schumacher being great in the wet.. But I dont think this adds up to the advantage a team of subcontinental cricketers get over their rivals when playing at home...

    Never have I seen another sport where a team can look invincible in home conditions and amateur in different conditions.. just my two cents, but it makes for interesting viewing, and I dont know of any other sport that has the success of whole seasons resting on the weather...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
    One of the many factors that makes cricket the greatest sport in the world

    But when the outcome is being decided by the weather, rather than the merits of the players, is that a good thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    But when the outcome is being decided by the weather, rather than the merits of the players, is that a good thing?
    I have a feeling he was being sarcastic...


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    I dont think he was

    Neil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    I dont think he was

    Neil?
    I was being deadly serious!

    It's how there are so many different variables in one game. Different players have different merits that suit different conditions.

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    Some Stats To Think About (since 1990)

    England have won 35.29 of Tests at home and 25.64% of Tests away.
    Australia - home 64.20% away 51.32%
    Bangladesh - home 0.00% away 0.00%
    India - home 53.19% away 13.64%
    New Zealand - home 30.51% away 16.07%
    Pakistan - home 43.14% away 43.94%
    South Africa - home 59.32% away 36.84%
    Sri Lanka - home 38.98% away 15.69%
    West Indies - home 39.71% away 22.06%
    Zimbabwe - home 15.79% away 5.71%

    Clearly there is such a thing as home advantage, but it is surprising that such a phonomenon affects India most while it does not seem to effect their neighbours Pakistan. Possibly there is more than climate involved in home advantage, things such as home support and being bad travellers could play a part.
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    I didnt think Pakistans climate was so different from Indias?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    I didnt think Pakistans climate was so different from Indias?
    Thats what im saying....There may be more to home advantage than simply climate.

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    Pakistanis are infamous for their home record...though away has been decent... Sri Lanka howver have a similar record to India's :Sri Lanka - home 38.98% away 15.69%....Maybe Pakistan is the odd one out then..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Blade
    Pakistanis are infamous for their home record...though away has been decent... Sri Lanka howver have a similar record to India's :Sri Lanka - home 38.98% away 15.69%....Maybe Pakistan is the odd one out then..
    Yes, because their attack is much more pace based than the other 2 (who between them possess about 1 decent pace bowler), so playing away from home is better for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    Do you think cricket is the sport where the venue and climate can have most impact on the outcome of the match, out of any sport??
    Nope. Maybe it's true of team sports, but I would have to say that the outcome of most golf tournaments is even more dependent on conditions than most cricket matches. Not that I have anything much to say in favour of golf, which even at its best only matches the existential excitement of a Chris Tavare Test innings, but you'd have to say that it is played in an even more challenging range of conditions than cricket is. And the choice of venue is even more crucial - at least cricket fields would all be represented pretty similarly on relief maps, which cannot be said about the rolling hills of a challenging links course.

    I was just thinking about my various objections to golf as a spectator sport, and found myself thinking about ski racing, whether downhill or slalom, and came to the conclusion that that also is a sport where the conditions matter a hell of a lot, and may even have more influence on the result than in cricket.

    But I can't think of another team sport which is as dependent on conditions as cricket.

    However, that may be a superficial analysis.

    A work colleague was a Premiership referee until they went fulltime professional, and he had some interesting things to say about home advantage which were certainly not apparent to me as a relative football-hater. Soccer's rules about pitch dimensions only really specify that the pitch must be longer than it is wide - and there are clubs which will mark a narrow pitch when their opponents base their play on going wide and crossing and have a wide pitch when their opponents like to play down the middle so that they can outflank them or at least spread them out and make the short passing game difficult. And the length of the grass on a football pitch makes a lot more difference to styles of play than you might think.

    That's not to say that football is as variable as cricket - I merely offer it as evidence that we self-satisfied cricket fans who know that we follow the finest sport there is don't necessarily appreciate the complexities at the top levels of other games.

    But there was something he said which I found very relevant to cricket. They've had "neutral" referees in football for decades, almost centuries - certainly longer than in cricket, where we can see the fading photographs of teams only 90-100 years ago who had their own travelling umpire. And there had been analysis done which showed that there was something like a 10% bias in favour of the home team on marginal refereeing decisions, and none of the whistle-carriers could explain it in terms of their own thought processes, and my colleague was of the opinion that however much they tried to shut out the crowd, in reality they could not avoid being pushed by them, at least at a subliminal level.

    I remember Mike Gatting complaining after a one-day Final, I think against Essex, that it had felt like playing away - and this was Lord's, where Middx play their home matches. To what extent, I wonder, were the Barmy Army responsible for the rather pathetic show some of the Windian batsmen put up in the Test series just gone?

    So I don't think that " the conditions" are restricted to the weather and the nature of the grass on the field of play.

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    A few of the English players said that playing in front of so many Brits made it like a home series, so in that respect it muct make a difference.

    In broader terms home advantage counts more in England and the subcontinent and possibly New Zealand because their is a greater deviance from ordinary standard wickets. That said, it hasn't done England much good in about the last 18 years although things are looking up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh_Lancs
    A few of the English players said that playing in front of so many Brits made it like a home series, so in that respect it muct make a difference.

    In broader terms home advantage counts more in England and the subcontinent and possibly New Zealand because their is a greater deviance from ordinary standard wickets. That said, it hasn't done England much good in about the last 18 years although things are looking up...
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    [QUOTE=Langeveldt]Do you think cricket is the sport where the venue and climate can have most impact on the outcome of the match, out of any sport??

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    Well tennis is another sport where the type of surface can make a huge diffeence, perhaps much more than cricket. One has to just look at some of the French Open Champs and some Wimbledon champs to see how so many players can shine only at one of the two surfaces.

    So I would say , the advantage a home team enjoys in deciding the surface in Davis Cup matches is , at times, huge. India's record at home in Davis Cup even with mediocre ranking players as far as singles rankings are concerned is a case in point. I know India has won some very important ties on non-grass surfaces but these have been relatively rare.

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