S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
That is not the views I have been hearing I'm afraid. Most members are livid.
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**Official** County Cricket 2018
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SeamUp
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It's amazing how producing fast bowlers in the region never really has been a problem but producing batsman remains one. Think the last one Notts brought through is Samit Patel. Signed Hales as a youngster from MCC which is fair play. Tom Moores was at other academies before joining Notts.
You got to think with their investment that they should be in the mix again. The word from Newell and all was that they just aimed to remain in Division 1 and have a run in a white ball comp. They now should have the base to push on this season for many reasons that you mentioned.
Also good to see Carter get a call-up. Quietly had a break-through season and don't think many would have thought an England Lions call-up would happen. Quite a few young right-arm off-spinners around County cricket (Bess/Carter/Virdi). Besides Leach/Dawson not many slow-left-armers. Suppose that is why Briggs is there.
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cpr
International Coach
You've basically described Lancashire last season. 2 guys chucking 50+ at 20 (Bailey 19.65, Onions 21) with decent support from Mennie, Maharaj and passable all rounding from Clark. Reliant on a couple of big batting names (Vilas and Jennings) hoped for decent from young English talent (Hameed, Livingstone, Davies).
Didn't exactly turn into a title chasing season....
FBU
International Debutant
Tests 6's this year - Pant 15 Curran 14 Hetmyer 17. No one else in double figures. All in the IPL.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
One or two of the teams at the bottom of the second division should follow Somerset's lead and prepare turning wickets.
Gloucestershire, Derbyshire and Glamorgan have only spent two years in division one since two divisions came in, the least of any counties.
Derbyshire haven't won a major trophy since 1993. In the time since every other county has won at least two trophies. Warwickshire are the most successful with 13 trophies.
Gloucestershire's recent finishes in division 2 are 5th(2018), 6th(2017), 6th(2016), 6th(2015), 7th(2014), 6th(2013), 9th Last (2012).
Glamorgan's recent finishes in division 2 are 10th last (2018), 7th(2017), 8th(2016), 4th(2015), 8th(2013), 6th(2012), 6th(2011)
Derbyshire's recent finishes in division 2 are 4th(2014), 8th(2015), 9th -Last(2016), 8th(2017) and 7th(2018)
You have to go back to Jack Russell, Dominic Cork and Robert Croft for the last time these counties produced an even semi regular England player.
The point I'm making is these counties really aren't going anywhere. They aren’t producing players, they aren’t attractive to prospective players and they don’t have the financial power to compete with many of the bigger counties. Any kind of decent player coming through leaves after a little while because they are stuck in div 2. Two of Gloucestershire best young bowlers, Craig Miles and Liam Norwell, left this winter for Warwickshire. Ben Slater left Derbyshire for Notts.
Even a side like Worcestershire, who have done an amazing job bringing through a quality group of local players (with still more coming through) can't keep hold of their best players (Joe Clarke, Kohler-Cadmore) and can't manage to stay in division 1 for more than a season. The best they can seemingly hope for is to yoyo between the two divisions, and win the odd white ball trophy.
There's an actual opportunity next year for division 2 clubs with 3 teams getting promoted. Unfortunately though for the likes of Glos, Glam, and Derb there are four counties that are much stronger than they are. ie. Lancashire, Middlesex, Sussex and Worcestershire.
Under normal circumstances they aren't getting promoted. So why not do something different. The schedule is quite accommodating in 2019 to those wanting to prepare turning wickets with more cricket been played in the middle of summer than in recent times.
In the short term the counties aren't competing anyway so even if the worst happens and they get thrashed most weeks it's no different from normal. At least there is some different cricket being played. Over recent years a lot of the most interesting cricket has been played at Taunton because of the alien conditions and the difference from the rest of the grounds. It makes interesting cricket.
In the medium to long term these counties would hopefully become an attraction proposition for spin bowlers, and maybe even batsman. Like Somerset, providing spinning wickets might actually make decent spin bowlers - who might go onto play for England. Having England players galvanises the local community. You only have to look at the local support Leach and Bess have had in Somerset and Devon to see the benefits of local international cricketers. It also benefits the home team to have alien conditions to the rest of the division. Somerset were unbeaten at home in 2018 - it's tough for visiting sides.
The tactical advantages are obvious. If you play on turning wickets every other week, whilst every other team plays once a year on a turning deck then you have a pretty significant home advantage. You might have a worse squad than a Sussex or Middlesex but the gap will narrow due to your heightened home advantage.
A lot of these counties at the bottom of division 2 also have threadbare budgets and squads. Spinners generally get injured less than fast bowlers so it allows counties to maintain small budgets with small squads.
Derbsyhire and Glamorgan are in a reasonable position in that they already have some promising spin bowlers, some of which have allround skills which makes it easier to balance their sides. Matt Critchley at Derbyshire is a Batting allrounder who bowls some reasonable leg spin, plus they have Hamidullah Qadri who is a promising offie. Glamorgan have had lots of spin bowlers come through their academy in recent years, and haven't quite cracked the county game - which isn't surprising given the conditions. Salter, Morgan, Bull, Sisodiya etc. Both these teams also have fast bowlers - Vijoen, Van der Gugten, De Lange , whose skills are lessened by playing on green seamers, but whose value (in relation to other teams medium pacers) will go up on flat wickets (that turn for the spinners).
There are also a number of spinners who have been released by their counties who are presumably looking for opportunities and will be fairly cheap to secure. Kerrigan, Azeem Rafiq and Ravi Patel were the most well known of those.
Proposed Derbyshire side - Godleman, Reece, Lace, Madsen, A Hughes, Smit, Critchley, Van Beek, Vijoen, Qadri, R Patel
Proposed Glamorgan side - Selman, Murphy, Marsh,Carlson, LLoyd, Cooke, Salter, Morgan, Van der Gugten, De Lange, Hogan
The main problem with all of this is in the longer term it'll be harder to produce spinning wickets because less cricket is been played in the middle of the season. In 2020 they go back to four day cricket at the start and end of the summer which obviously isn't ideal. However Somerset had no problem artificially making their wickets spin friendly in September in recent years so it can't be that hard to produce these wickets.
Gloucestershire, Derbyshire and Glamorgan have only spent two years in division one since two divisions came in, the least of any counties.
Derbyshire haven't won a major trophy since 1993. In the time since every other county has won at least two trophies. Warwickshire are the most successful with 13 trophies.
Gloucestershire's recent finishes in division 2 are 5th(2018), 6th(2017), 6th(2016), 6th(2015), 7th(2014), 6th(2013), 9th Last (2012).
Glamorgan's recent finishes in division 2 are 10th last (2018), 7th(2017), 8th(2016), 4th(2015), 8th(2013), 6th(2012), 6th(2011)
Derbyshire's recent finishes in division 2 are 4th(2014), 8th(2015), 9th -Last(2016), 8th(2017) and 7th(2018)
You have to go back to Jack Russell, Dominic Cork and Robert Croft for the last time these counties produced an even semi regular England player.
The point I'm making is these counties really aren't going anywhere. They aren’t producing players, they aren’t attractive to prospective players and they don’t have the financial power to compete with many of the bigger counties. Any kind of decent player coming through leaves after a little while because they are stuck in div 2. Two of Gloucestershire best young bowlers, Craig Miles and Liam Norwell, left this winter for Warwickshire. Ben Slater left Derbyshire for Notts.
Even a side like Worcestershire, who have done an amazing job bringing through a quality group of local players (with still more coming through) can't keep hold of their best players (Joe Clarke, Kohler-Cadmore) and can't manage to stay in division 1 for more than a season. The best they can seemingly hope for is to yoyo between the two divisions, and win the odd white ball trophy.
There's an actual opportunity next year for division 2 clubs with 3 teams getting promoted. Unfortunately though for the likes of Glos, Glam, and Derb there are four counties that are much stronger than they are. ie. Lancashire, Middlesex, Sussex and Worcestershire.
Under normal circumstances they aren't getting promoted. So why not do something different. The schedule is quite accommodating in 2019 to those wanting to prepare turning wickets with more cricket been played in the middle of summer than in recent times.
In the short term the counties aren't competing anyway so even if the worst happens and they get thrashed most weeks it's no different from normal. At least there is some different cricket being played. Over recent years a lot of the most interesting cricket has been played at Taunton because of the alien conditions and the difference from the rest of the grounds. It makes interesting cricket.
In the medium to long term these counties would hopefully become an attraction proposition for spin bowlers, and maybe even batsman. Like Somerset, providing spinning wickets might actually make decent spin bowlers - who might go onto play for England. Having England players galvanises the local community. You only have to look at the local support Leach and Bess have had in Somerset and Devon to see the benefits of local international cricketers. It also benefits the home team to have alien conditions to the rest of the division. Somerset were unbeaten at home in 2018 - it's tough for visiting sides.
The tactical advantages are obvious. If you play on turning wickets every other week, whilst every other team plays once a year on a turning deck then you have a pretty significant home advantage. You might have a worse squad than a Sussex or Middlesex but the gap will narrow due to your heightened home advantage.
A lot of these counties at the bottom of division 2 also have threadbare budgets and squads. Spinners generally get injured less than fast bowlers so it allows counties to maintain small budgets with small squads.
Derbsyhire and Glamorgan are in a reasonable position in that they already have some promising spin bowlers, some of which have allround skills which makes it easier to balance their sides. Matt Critchley at Derbyshire is a Batting allrounder who bowls some reasonable leg spin, plus they have Hamidullah Qadri who is a promising offie. Glamorgan have had lots of spin bowlers come through their academy in recent years, and haven't quite cracked the county game - which isn't surprising given the conditions. Salter, Morgan, Bull, Sisodiya etc. Both these teams also have fast bowlers - Vijoen, Van der Gugten, De Lange , whose skills are lessened by playing on green seamers, but whose value (in relation to other teams medium pacers) will go up on flat wickets (that turn for the spinners).
There are also a number of spinners who have been released by their counties who are presumably looking for opportunities and will be fairly cheap to secure. Kerrigan, Azeem Rafiq and Ravi Patel were the most well known of those.
Proposed Derbyshire side - Godleman, Reece, Lace, Madsen, A Hughes, Smit, Critchley, Van Beek, Vijoen, Qadri, R Patel
Proposed Glamorgan side - Selman, Murphy, Marsh,Carlson, LLoyd, Cooke, Salter, Morgan, Van der Gugten, De Lange, Hogan
The main problem with all of this is in the longer term it'll be harder to produce spinning wickets because less cricket is been played in the middle of the season. In 2020 they go back to four day cricket at the start and end of the summer which obviously isn't ideal. However Somerset had no problem artificially making their wickets spin friendly in September in recent years so it can't be that hard to produce these wickets.
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
SeamUp
International Coach
***ual Conquest Game with all details of girls on whatsapp group ey !
I see Joe Clarke is standing up for his best mate.
It looks bad like the lads are standing up for each other and degrading womens rights but some of the stuff like Joe Clarke was charged because she couldn't remember if she had *** with him and that she was contacting him months afterwards. Sounds twisted.
I see Joe Clarke is standing up for his best mate.
It looks bad like the lads are standing up for each other and degrading womens rights but some of the stuff like Joe Clarke was charged because she couldn't remember if she had *** with him and that she was contacting him months afterwards. Sounds twisted.
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SeamUp
International Coach
Young England Lions squad for Bangladesh Tour : https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/970164?u...100000429331111+&utm_campaign=Other+Campaigns
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
So Elgars signed on for Surrey again, scheduled to play 13 out of 14 championship matches. https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/dean-elgar-rejoins-for-2019-summer/
Stone, Fidel Edwarsds and Bairstow have signed new contract at their respective counties.
Hemphrey joins Glamorgan's long list of non England qualified players, that are playing as locals. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/46809747
Jury failed to reach a verdict in the Hepburn rape case so he's been discharged. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ch-verdict-discharged-Alex-Hepburn-trial.html
The case will certainly tarnish the name of Worcestershire CCC. Joe Clarke and Kohler-Cadmore (who have both now left Worcestershire) have been stood down from the Lions tour of india pending an investigation into their conduct. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...and-joe-clarke-tom-kohler-cadmore-india-tour/.
The word was that Gubbins and Livingstone were rested from the lions tour rather than dropped - interesting to see if they get callups now or they pluck someone else from county cricket. I personally would take a look at Tom Abell and Harry Brook. Maybe Will Rhodes.
Benny Howell going well out in the BPL. Has a very good record with the ball in the last few years of English T20.
Stone, Fidel Edwarsds and Bairstow have signed new contract at their respective counties.
Hemphrey joins Glamorgan's long list of non England qualified players, that are playing as locals. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/46809747
Jury failed to reach a verdict in the Hepburn rape case so he's been discharged. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ch-verdict-discharged-Alex-Hepburn-trial.html
The case will certainly tarnish the name of Worcestershire CCC. Joe Clarke and Kohler-Cadmore (who have both now left Worcestershire) have been stood down from the Lions tour of india pending an investigation into their conduct. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...and-joe-clarke-tom-kohler-cadmore-india-tour/.
The word was that Gubbins and Livingstone were rested from the lions tour rather than dropped - interesting to see if they get callups now or they pluck someone else from county cricket. I personally would take a look at Tom Abell and Harry Brook. Maybe Will Rhodes.
Benny Howell going well out in the BPL. Has a very good record with the ball in the last few years of English T20.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
The Hales career seems to have gone down the pisser in recent years.
Currently not getting into the BPL side he's contracted too. Not in England's first XI odi side. Opted out of playing first class cricket for Notts- Still not getting picked up by IPL sides. The Stokes affair.
It's kinda happening on the quite but I imagine he has quite a bit of frustration about his current playing situation.
Currently not getting into the BPL side he's contracted too. Not in England's first XI odi side. Opted out of playing first class cricket for Notts- Still not getting picked up by IPL sides. The Stokes affair.
It's kinda happening on the quite but I imagine he has quite a bit of frustration about his current playing situation.
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
thanks mum