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Thread: The 'real' Steven Smith question...

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    The 'real' Steven Smith question...

    I'm possibly getting ahead of myself, but humour me & assume the following hypothetical;

    Let's assume he's currently half-way through his career, & doubles his number of matches played to another 60 Tests in the next 6-7 years.

    Like most ATG bats, he does deteriorate slightly in the 2nd half of his career, by about 10%.

    Even a 10% drop-off in his current performance would see him average 56.1 in the 2nd half of his career, which would see his overall career average finish up around 59.2.

    If he did achieve this after say 120 matches, and continues to perform against all-comers and all conditions as he has to date, would he be considered the 2nd greatest Test bat after 'The Don'?

    I think there'd be a very strong argument to say yes.

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    He's a gun, but I'd still consider him on par with Tendulkar, Lara, V.Richards, G.Chappell and Sobers in that tier below Bradman.
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    If he played 120-140 odd tests and averaged 60 or so then hed have to be right up there. Its hard in my mind to consider someone could be clearly better than the blokes RH mentions in his post, but if it turns out that way I hope Im around to see it.
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    Hell of a lot of 'ifs' in this. Tendulkar played Test cricket for 24 years and still finished with an average over 54. Smith's being doing it for what, 7 years?
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    Maybe the third best - he isn't as good as Barry Richards

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    Yeah it's far too premature comparison.

    Still you can see when you are watching someone special. Ab De Villers was giving me similar feeling a while back like current Smith.
    Last edited by Chrish; 22-12-2017 at 02:47 PM.

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    Smith is a much better Test batsman than de Villiers ffs.
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    If he keeps this up for another 10 years, yes.

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    Depends which way you look at it. Based on current form yes, but AB has also achieved some miraculous feats; scoring runs everywhere against top class class bowlers. Easy to forget how good and highly regarded he was before the dip in the form.

    When we look at the overall career, I doubt any current player is "much better" than AB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    Hell of a lot of 'ifs' in this. Tendulkar played Test cricket for 24 years and still finished with an average over 54. Smith's being doing it for what, 7 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    Hell of a lot of 'ifs' in this. Tendulkar played Test cricket for 24 years and still finished with an average over 54. Smith's being doing it for what, 7 years?
    Just under 54 actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    Hell of a lot of 'ifs' in this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Yeah it's far too premature comparison.
    I clearly stated it was a hypothetical question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post

    When we look at the overall career, I doubt any current player is "much better" than AB.
    If we're talking Tests, Smith is quite obviously better.

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    If in doing so he's integral to series wins (or at least gets us in a position to win) in India, England and South Africa, then absolutely yes. Otherwise nah. He's already ticked off one of those boxes though.

    Too much is made of averages, not enough of big series performances (and no, that's not the same thing as "average in a country")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Yeah it's far too premature comparison.

    Still you can see when you are watching someone special. Ab De Villers was giving me similar feeling a while back like current Smith.
    I don't think you understood the thread
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    Depends which way you look at it. Based on current form yes, but AB has also achieved some miraculous feats; scoring runs everywhere against top class class bowlers. Easy to forget how good and highly regarded he was before the dip in the form.

    When we look at the overall career, I doubt any current player is "much better" than AB.
    No, Smith is much better

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