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    Cricketer Of The Year TheJediBrah's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    If you're playing across the line to stuff on off stump where batsmen usually play straight, your chances of lbw increase surely. He's just got great balance and never falls over.
    No because he is essentially playing straight in a perfect position. For other players it would definitely increase the chances of lbw if they just set up across the stumps, but not for him. This should be obvious due to how rarely he gets out lbw in that fashion.

    The theory that he's not getting out lbw because of some freakish hand-eye coordination despite his technique is just silly.

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    I don't understand what you mean by essentially playing straight in a perfect position

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    Every great player picks balls from off stump through mid wicket ffs

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    Nobody else has a wagon wheel quite like smiths though


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    he hasn't reached the heights of arnotts's wagon wheels

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...cricket-legacy

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    Will say this once and then nothing else. Defamation laws quite clear in Aus.be careful.

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    Looks like a better version of a jaffa cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    I don't understand what you mean by essentially playing straight in a perfect position
    He's not playing around his pad with his head leaning over to the off side, which is why you'd expect people to miss balls on their pads. He's perfectly balanced.

    Also the reason you don't understand is that I'm essentially talking rubbish and making words up as I go along

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    He's not playing around his pad with his head leaning over to the off side, which is why you'd expect people to miss balls on their pads. He's perfectly balanced.
    Isn't that what I said. Just that it still means there's a higher risk vs playing straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Isn't that what I said. Just that it still means there's a higher risk vs playing straight.
    nah

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    Test the ****er for being a robot on drugs. Too good.

    Being serious, he may not look the best but he is supreme in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Test the ****er for being a robot on drugs. Too good.

    Being serious, he may not look the best but he is supreme in the middle.
    It's not his fault I think he was premature
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    Geeves made a good point about his "technique" making him vulnerable when playing the ball back through mid-off - he's taken away this weakness by putting himself in a position to not have to play the ball through there very much, that shot to which he is vulnerable is now a ball that he can leave as he's moved in front of the stumps.

    While James Anderson was setting Peter Handscomb up to have his front pad blown open and Usman Khawaja was having his weakness against spin exploited, Smith continued his unique fashion of flicking the bird at conventional batting by dictating to the bowler where he wanted the ball delivered.

    So how does he do that?


    How does he take the game away from the bowlers?

    He has adapted his game, like no other, to allow him the strongest possible management of his weaknesses, all while providing greater access to his strengths.

    And without cracking the game’s code, that’s exactly what batting is.

    Enter the E-Street Shuffle.

    Smith is unique in that he now has a natural shuffle across his stumps as part of his positional routine — how he sets himself up to face the bowler. You might hear coaches with fancy coaching certificates calling this shuffle ‘breaking inertia’.

    Technically, Smith’s backlift is wide and takes aim at around the third slip position. The strength in this is that it is natural to drop the bat on a path that provides great access to the leg-side.

    The weakness here is that the pick-up dictates an outside to in path and this plagued Smith early in his domestic and Test career, as he became a known nicker of the ball.
    What is the best way of negating that mode of dismissal against the bowler?

    Move the stumps on him.

    There is no corridor of apprehension — to steal a Damien Fleming copyrighted line — when you do not have to play at the ball because your off stump is now no longer a factor.

    It is that uncertainty that has the cordon sweating on any defensive prod with that style of backlift.

    By being outside the line of off-stump, he can now comfortably leave balls without fear of being bowled, rather than dangling that outside-to-in blade and hoping that the ball doesn’t deviate to take the edge.

    The most important thing here is that the benefits of the shuffle are twofold: negate the bowler’s access to his weakness, while gaining greater access to his scoring strengths.

    Smart, hey.

    If Smith gets out LBW, the percentages would tell him that it is unlikely to happen again soon. He has played to his strengths and as a batsman, that is all you can do.

    Smith refuses to allow the bowlers to settle on one spot by moving to different parts of the crease. It is something that Simon Katich perfected. Across, back, forward and not always consistent in finishing position.
    https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...580b687d6f6f43

    Geeves can talk some dribble at times, but this is a pretty good break down of why he's been successful over the past few years.

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    I don't like talking about predictions of how people's career will pan out - I mean, imagine trying to describe to people in 2006 how much Punter's hook/pull would deteriorate over the next five years.

    I guess there's more given leeway given to guys with "traditional technique" - the Dravids, Kallis', Tendulkars. I think it's not so much the "traditional technique" but the fact that there's less moving parts. Punter would hit the ball almost on the move in his prime, moving into it and meeting it. He talked about it on his BT Masterclass with Gilly, Vaughan and KP the other week. And Smith is a bit the same, there's a lot of moving parts (rather than "technical issues") to convince you that there'll be some issues as you get older.

    But for a Punter, there's a Simon Katich to throw back in your face who continued to do well with lots of moving parts in his manner of batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    People on here do this all the time with players from the 'other' team.
    Correct
    Cricket's moral worldview:

    "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."

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