View Poll Results: Based on this hypothetical, Should Smith be considered the 2nd Greatest Test bat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post

    No, Smith is much better
    Why?

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    No. I would consider Adam Voges the second best after the Don.

    Maybe Voges was even better than the Don considering we saw very little evidence on how Bradman handled bowling attacks that were not really interested in playing Test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    I'm possibly getting ahead of myself, but humour me & assume the following hypothetical;

    Let's assume he's currently half-way through his career, & doubles his number of matches played to another 60 Tests in the next 6-7 years.

    Like most ATG bats, he does deteriorate slightly in the 2nd half of his career, by about 10%.

    Even a 10% drop-off in his current performance would see him average 56.1 in the 2nd half of his career, which would see his overall career average finish up around 59.2.

    If he did achieve this after say 120 matches, and continues to perform against all-comers and all conditions as he has to date, would he be considered the 2nd greatest Test bat after 'The Don'?

    I think there'd be a very strong argument to say yes.

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    He's already one of the best I've ever seen.

    In this hypothetical, if you're asking if his career would be considered an undisputed no.2 on the basis of just those statistics and nothing else, I'd say no. Other players have had similar runs where they averaged approx. 60 over many years. Tendulkar for example had a run of 160 tests over 18 years where he averaged 59.7.

    But really its about how and when he gets those runs, the kind of innings he plays etc which will determine where he should eventually be ranked.
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    If he does then Australia would have the top three batsmen, 1 The Don, 2 Smith, 3 Ponting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TNT View Post
    If he does then Australia would have the top three batsmen, 1 The Don, 2 Smith, 3 Ponting.
    You're forgetting Bradman

    He'd probably sit at no. 1 ahead of Voges

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNT View Post
    If he does then Australia would have the top three batsmen, 1 The Don, 2 Smith, 3 Ponting.
    Lol

    Ponting has to work hard to make an AT Aus XI. He's certainly not ahead of Sobers or Viv or Tendulkar. G Chappell is probably better than him as well.

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    Oh and Waugh who averaged around 57 from 1993-2003 against some of the best attacks of all time, or Border who was one of the few batsmen who could take it to the Windies quartets.

    Ponting was amazing in his pomp but it's hard to put him in the top 10 batsmen of all time, let alone #3.

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    Yeah Ponting's tail-end to his career, plus his struggles in India, means he's slipped well below his 2005 peak.
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    Really there's two possibilities with Smith.

    1) He's an ATG batsman who is in a purple patch and will be remembered as one of the most dominant batsman ever.

    2) He's legitimately the second best of all time.

    How he goes over the next 5 years will determine how he's remembered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Yeah Ponting's tail-end to his career, plus his struggles in India, means he's slipped well below his 2005 peak.
    Yeah Pointing really needed a second patch of averaging ~55 in the tail of his career to be placed higher. But he fell away after the 06/07 Ashes and never climbed back to the same heights, unlike Tendulkar or Waugh.

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    Anybody have the video of Steve Smith's 100 in RSA VS Steyn and Co

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    Ponting was a better bat than Waugh and as good as Chappell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slifer View Post
    Anybody have the video of Steve Smith's 100 in RSA VS Steyn and Co
    Was on youtube not anymore. I'd really like to watch the cape town knock though that was entertaining as ****
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Yeah Ponting's tail-end to his career, plus his struggles in India, means he's slipped well below his 2005 peak.
    That image of him getting absolutely demolished by Kallis is still traumatic
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    Ponting's issue* was that his previously stellar conversion rate turned to **** after the SA series in 08/09 (37 tons and 43 fifties going into the 09 new years test, finished with 4 more tons and 19 more fifties). Smith's dominance has been built on a similar conversation rate and it stands to reason he could have a similar bad run, indeed he had that in the 12-18 months prior to his recall where I think he made 7 fifties and 0 tons. That's the only run like that though in his career so far though, even his early FC career he was going at a 1:1 ratio and he was not out/last man out in over half the fifites he didn't convert

    *and he couldn't play Kallisball
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