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    Thatís a very good point. Thereís just no room for tour games these days.

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    Someone needs to compile a statistics to demonstrate whether (or not) teams are indeed failing more now away than yesteryear. You could do it with both tests and series wins and split it into decades or twenty year periods - might also be worthwhile having a the home statistic for comparison.
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    Win_loss.JPG

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    This decade has been the worst.


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    What are the columns of that table?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    What are the columns of that table?
    There are headers man :P

    Home record btw.
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    It's the margins that teams are losing by that is particularly apalling.

    Teams are also losing in Bangladesh now lol.

    Pakistan's 2-2 and Australia's competitive display in India have balanced things somewhat though imo.

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    Definitely seems to backup Furball's point that the lack of draws is a big contributor. The win/loss ratio seems to have hovered around the same mark for several decades, but the number of draws has plummeted. But even then, that's on the touring sides: the ability to hold on in tough conditions for a draw is an enormously underrated skill, I'd reckon that the vast majority of significant away series wins over the last decade or two have involved the away team holding a game that they were behind in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srbhkshk View Post
    There are headers man :P

    Home record btw.
    Ok, now I get it, cumulative home record.

    Took a worryingly large amount of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Definitely seems to backup Furball's point that the lack of draws is a big contributor. The win/loss ratio seems to have hovered around the same mark for several decades, but the number of draws has plummeted. But even then, that's on the touring sides: the ability to hold on in tough conditions for a draw is an enormously underrated skill, I'd reckon that the vast majority of significant away series wins over the last decade or two have involved the away team holding a game that they were behind in.
    Yeah, there's no team right now that I'd back to bat out 80 overs on day 5, leave alone pulling off a 4 session blocking job, which SA were quite good at when they had their unbeaten away run going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Yeah, there's no team right now that I'd back to bat out 80 overs on day 5, leave alone pulling off a 4 session blocking job, which SA were quite good at when they had their unbeaten away run going.
    In fairness, when we did at Ranchi I thought we were odds on to win the series after that. So frustrating that we threw away wickets to Kuldeep Yadav on Day 1 in the final Test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Has anyone mentioned how having games so close to each other in the schedule, without tour games in between, means team's have less time after a loss to adjust and adapt before the next game?

    I feel this is a big issue. Not only do they have to hit the ground running, but if they stumble they don't have the time to catch themselves and regroup.
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    That’s a very good point. There’s just no room for tour games these days.
    It's not just a lack of room for tour games, it's a lack of room for anything.

    Typical schedule has day 5 of the first Test being on say, a Monday. You spend the Tuesday flying to the next venue. Wednesday and Thursday you get a wee bit of practice in and then the 2nd Test starts on Friday. Now if you're a batsman who's maybe had a wee technical glitch exposed, when do you actually get the time to iron that out? People might point out that there's 2 days worth of practice time in my example, but then you also have no opportunity to get a rest and mentally switch off from the tour for a couple of days and clear your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srbhkshk View Post
    Is there an away one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Definitely seems to backup Furball's point that the lack of draws is a big contributor. The win/loss ratio seems to have hovered around the same mark for several decades, but the number of draws has plummeted. But even then, that's on the touring sides: the ability to hold on in tough conditions for a draw is an enormously underrated skill, I'd reckon that the vast majority of significant away series wins over the last decade or two have involved the away team holding a game that they were behind in.
    I don't think it's necessarily a lack of being able to hold on, the game just moves faster now. England in the last 12 months have lost 3 Tests by an innings despite scoring 400+ batting first. Back in the 60s scoring 400 first up would probably take you at least 2 days and make a draw almost nailed on. Now 400 in 4 sessions is easily doable which leaves so much more time in the game for teams to force a win.

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