Starfighter
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I don't see why that would help one's average. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Best left-arm seamer since Akram retired
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Daemon
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He had 11 dropped catches since his comeback at the end of the Australian tour.
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morgieb
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Yeah. And that English series saw an awful lot of runs scored from memory. New Zealand's been flat lately too, but tbf that series really wasn't.
randycricfreak
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This is how Vaas defended 8 runs off the last over against Australia, with Bevan and Symmo batting.
I mean to say Amir is better than Vaas is just obnoxious. Vaas was such a delight and a true master of left arm bowling.
Amir just comes in an bowls couple of breathtaking deliveries for 500 balls, thats it!
Amir is easily the most overrated out of the lot.
I rate Starc,Boult,Wagner from the current lot to be higher than Amir..\
I mean to say Amir is better than Vaas is just obnoxious. Vaas was such a delight and a true master of left arm bowling.
Amir just comes in an bowls couple of breathtaking deliveries for 500 balls, thats it!
Amir is easily the most overrated out of the lot.
I rate Starc,Boult,Wagner from the current lot to be higher than Amir..\
Starfighter
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I'd have thought a true master might manage a better average than 29.5
I think I'll wait a few years to judge Amir. He certainly has displayed the raw talent in the past but hasn't yet put it together. But he may yet. Jimmy Anderson averaged 36 after 33 tests.
cnerd123
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Look, I love Vaas. He's a legend. I admired him growing up. He has a beautiful action, swung it both ways, could land it on a dime, and have a cutter to boost. And as he got older and slower, he got wiser and cannier. He could bowl all day. He could bowl in all conditions. And he could bat too. Absolute ATG, incredible cricketer.
But he's not a better bowler than Amir is. He has the better performances, the better achievements, the better record. But he is just not a better bowler than Amir is.
smash84
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Vaas was pretty good but the folks on here seem to be making him out to be another wasim.
I loved Vaas as a bowler too but let's not kid ourselves regarding his skill level. He was extremely canny and accurate, with an excellent ability to move the ball off the wicket but his pace really did work against him. ***** might have made a comment in the vein of chappelli but for Vaas that really did hold true. He did wreck NZ a fair few times I think but other than that he wasn't an ATG. He was very very good in ODIs though. So people might be mixing up some of his ridiculous ODI performances with his test bowling.
Secondly, Amir has had so many catches dropped off of him since his return that its not even funny. Much higher drops than the usual Pakistan. Variety wise I don't know who i would rate higher. Vaas could do a lot that Amir couldn't (at least in terms of cutters and slower deliveries) but Vaas couldn't bring the ball into the batsmen or make it holds its line at the speed that amir can.. He troubles the best in the world (although on his return he doesn't yet have the numbers to show for it, partly due to dropped catches, and partly because he hasn't been as good as he used to be) which wasn't much the case with Vaas.
I loved Vaas as a bowler too but let's not kid ourselves regarding his skill level. He was extremely canny and accurate, with an excellent ability to move the ball off the wicket but his pace really did work against him. ***** might have made a comment in the vein of chappelli but for Vaas that really did hold true. He did wreck NZ a fair few times I think but other than that he wasn't an ATG. He was very very good in ODIs though. So people might be mixing up some of his ridiculous ODI performances with his test bowling.
Secondly, Amir has had so many catches dropped off of him since his return that its not even funny. Much higher drops than the usual Pakistan. Variety wise I don't know who i would rate higher. Vaas could do a lot that Amir couldn't (at least in terms of cutters and slower deliveries) but Vaas couldn't bring the ball into the batsmen or make it holds its line at the speed that amir can.. He troubles the best in the world (although on his return he doesn't yet have the numbers to show for it, partly due to dropped catches, and partly because he hasn't been as good as he used to be) which wasn't much the case with Vaas.
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smash84
The Tiger King
peak wise probably Johnson, career wise so far Boult has been pretty good and Starc is getting better i think. Zaheer Khan could have been much better if he didn't have all those fitness issues. Hard to choose but for consistency I might have gone with Boult but Johnson probably the most memorable in this list, so i will go with him
Gob
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Don't know how Boult's career is better on record. Starc averages 27.54 while striking at 48.4 compared to Boult's 28.79 at 58.1 with 3 less five fers.
Spark
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Johnson's overall career record is pretty underrated IMO. Average 28 is good, SR of 51 is ATG. He had quite a few years where he just found ways to take wickets basically everywhere but England pretty consistently with that angle across the right hander and clever use of cutters and slower balls. It's kind of interesting that, before that summer, no one really thought of him as the human cannon that he became.
Starc will be hard to rate. People who watch him a lot will have a tendency to be surprised by how good his overall numbers will seem IMO, because he often takes wickets despite looking really mediocre (like this series).
Starc will be hard to rate. People who watch him a lot will have a tendency to be surprised by how good his overall numbers will seem IMO, because he often takes wickets despite looking really mediocre (like this series).
smash84
The Tiger King
Amir has been nowhere near as he was pre ban tbh but he hasn't been as bad as people just looking at stats are making him out to be. The numbers have been much worse than he's bowled. Probably 20 chances have gone down on his bowling since his return. And its not the half chances I am talking about. Its the regulation slip catches and such.