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    Ranking the candidates for the second best batsman after the Don. 25 contenders

    The list is finalised. Begin ranking!


    The test All-rounder edition was a success. The ODI one was me reaching for way too much. So I'm gonna try an exercise that'l be a lot more straight forward, users simply rank batsman on their batting ability. 25 names is more than 18(the amount for the successful test all-rounders thread) but it's only one list, not two(batting/bowling). So it shouldn't be too tough a workload.

    I hope to get a shitton of votes. At least 30. It'l be easy enough to tally up. Then I'll do my list countdown thing with reviews and all


    I wanted to make this test exploits only, but wanted to include Grace, Trumper and Ranji. They deserve to be here. They were the legends of their time and though their test records don't make them look worthy, eyewitness accounts do(as do their FC records)

    So yeah, we're gonna lean toward 'test' batting ability but just view them as FC batsmen. Not everyone was lucky enough to play a million tests like Sachin


    I don't want too many arguments about players, but am willing to make a change if people feel I've really made a doozy of a choice. It was so hard to narrow this down to 25 names. Where to draw the line etc. Considering those who didn't get the chance to play enough test cricket, those who had the terrific stats but for whatever reason not the best CW reputation to elevate them here (Chanderpaul, Barrington, Younis). The ones who faced what CW deemed 'easy bowlers'(Vijay Merchant's FC record) Then there's those really tricky players who I just think CW as a consensus rates really high despite other blokes averaging more than them. This is my rough list, am willing to be flexible. I've based it on what I feel CW considers the top 25 batsmen after the Don I'm sure one name will be a hard player to rank, and if people think he's not worthy of being in the discussion yet do say so


    I'll also say I've played a lot of drafts over the last couple of years, and have certainly noticed patterns in which batsmen get chosen before others.



    WG Grace
    KS Ranji
    Victor Trumper
    Jack Hobbs
    Herb Sutcliffe
    Wally Hammond
    George Headley
    Len Hutton
    Everton Weekes
    Clyde Walcott
    Gary Sobers
    Graeme Pollock
    Barry Richards
    Greg Chappell
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Javed Miandad
    Viv Richards
    Allan Border
    Steve Waugh
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Brian Lara
    Ricky Ponting
    Rahul Dravid
    Jacques Kallis
    Kumar Sangakkarra
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    a few names who I just narrowly didn't include:

    Kohli, Walcott, Worrell, McCabe, May, Compton, Crowe, Younis, Harvey and Sehwag


    before someone really makes a compelling case for one of these blokes, do you really think they're a chance at cracking the top 20 of this list? If we're just arguing over the potential 24th/25th rank, I say don't bother

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    Whatever happened to your English no-rounder ranking thread?

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    yeah lol ill update it in a sec. The first round of it had like 6 votes. I dont bother keeping alive dead threads if I feel theres no interest


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    a few names who I just narrowly didn't include:

    Kohli, Walcott, Worrell, McCabe, May, Compton, Crowe, Younis, Harvey and Sehwag


    before someone really makes a compelling case for one of these blokes, do you really think they're a chance at cracking the top 20 of this list? If we're just arguing over the potential 24th/25th rank, I say don't bother
    Of course some of those names could crack a top 20 considering you're ranking players no one saw play, some who have nothing to write home about in international cricket off of "eye witness accounts".

    I'm not denying the likes of Grace were iconic, they were. I am not denying those that saw them may of thought of them as exceptional players but to include them in a list of all time best batsmen over guys who many have seen play, there's video footage and we have exceptional numbers to back it all up.

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    I guess finding that balance of the old greats and the modern players we saw with our own eyes is difficult.


    But reading the extensive cricinfo articles about these guys makes it hard for me to exclude them.


    Since you're new here I'll also add if you've been on this forum long enough you'd know theres sort of an unofficial tier list of batsman floating around in the eyes of many

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    Smith should not be eligible for this. Nor should anyone else whose Test career hasn't finished (or, at a stretch, is clearly closer to being finished than not, e.g. Cook)
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    I'll do my top 25 too:


    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Len Hutton
    3. Kevin Pietersen
    4. Ricky Ponting
    5. Allan Donald
    6. Greg Chappel
    7. Javed Miandad
    8. Younis Khan
    9. Mohammad Yousuf
    10. Zaheer Abbas
    11. Sachin Tendulkar
    12. Rahul Dravid
    13. Sunil Gavaskar
    14. Virat Kohli
    15. Jacques Kallis
    16. Graeme Smith
    17. AB de Villiers
    18. Hashim Amla
    19. Viv Richards
    20. Brian Lara
    21. Chanderpaul
    22. Walcott
    23. Jayawardene
    24. Sangakkara
    25. Martin Crowe


    Not in exact order.

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    Allan Donald?

    and Spark, who do you suggest over Smith? I'm leaning toward Crowe, many consider him the best bat of the 80s

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    I guess finding that balance of the old greats and the modern players we saw with our own eyes is difficult.


    But reading the extensive cricinfo articles about these guys makes it hard for me to exclude them.


    Since you're new here I'll also add if you've been on this forum long enough you'd know theres sort of an unofficial tier list of batsman floating around in the eyes of many
    My point is not to deny how good they may have been, my point is that it should not be enough to include them at the expense of players with vast test careers and performances like Younis, Yousuf, Walcott or even Kohli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    Allan Donald?

    and Spark, who do you suggest over Smith? I'm leaning toward Crowe, many consider him the best bat of the 80s
    Younis Khan, maybe? Massively underrated IMO.

    But yeah, my point is basically that current players should simply be excluded on the basis that it isn't really fair to include them against players who have had a full career arc, including the usual late career decline, particularly when the current players are currently in career-best form with no guarantee that it'll continue over another 50 Tests.
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    If it's tests only, then bring in Younis and Neil Harvey for Barry Richards and Steve Smith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Younis Khan, maybe? Massively underrated IMO.

    But yeah, my point is basically that current players should simply be excluded on the basis that it isn't really fair to include them against players who have had a full career arc, including the usual late career decline, particularly when the current players are currently in career-best form with no guarantee that it'll continue over another 50 Tests.
    Doesn't make sense not to include Pakistan's GOAT batsman.

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    All fair enough. Will replace Steve Smith and Barry. I had Barry in for a few reasons, Don Bradman nominated him as the opener in his own personal all time XI for one. But I guess unfortunately he just didn't have a large enough body of work at the highest level

    It's not 'just tests' btw because I dont want to exclude Grace and Ranji... but if people think they complicate things too much I can replace them.
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    Walcott, Compton and Dudley Nourse should be there on contention. Ranji, Trumper and Harvey can be replaced.
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