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Peakiest Peaks

subshakerz

International Coach
A mate of mine developed a programme around Zaltzman's Peak 33 idea
https://bitbucket.org/sachintha81/cricketplayerpeakanalyzerpublic

Instructions are there on how to use it. It's fairly straightforward. You can adjust the "peak" period

This attachment also has a number of tsv files from different players (that you need to create to do use the app..consider it an early Christmas gift :) )
View attachment 23780

Here are some I ran a while ago using this
Batting - sorted by average


Bowling - Sorted by average
I think Viv, Waugh and Sachin's peaks are the most impressive given the quality of bowling they faced.

Imran's peak is out of this world. Murali took nearly 8 wickets a test!
 

Top_Cat

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Sachin’s sells him a bit short, really. If you widen it slightly to all of 1997 and 2003, right before he had injury troubles, his average takes a hit but it’s still pretty great:

59 Tests
5705 runs
63.38 avg
21 tons
20 50’s

Geez he was dangerous in the 90s, wish he toured more often to Oz during that time.
 
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social

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Steve Smith was first picked as a batsman in 2013

Since that time

52 tests
5175 runs
63.88 average
20 tons
20 fifties
**** all support
Opposition doctoring wickets to curtail him
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Does it count as a peak if that's just his level?

Relative to how he was outside of his peak, Clarke was ridiculous. Looked one of the most dominant batsmen in modern memory for two or three years, then looked like an octogenarian who had forgotten how to play the bouncer after that.
 

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What kind of figures does Smith need to finish with to be widely acknowledged as the 2nd best ever?

I'd say he needs to maintain his average where it is currently, and score about 50 hundreds.
 

OverratedSanity

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What kind of figures does Smith need to finish with to be widely acknowledged as the 2nd best ever?

I'd say he needs to maintain his average where it is currently, and score about 50 hundreds.
12000 runs @60 would be pretty hard to argue against

It's still way too soon though, he's obviously going to end up an ATG, but people have had runs like this before. Potning, Sachin, Dravid, Kallis were all averaging 58+ after having played twice as many games as Smith has. The **** will probably keep this up for a while though, it seems.
 

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
Does it count as a peak if that's just his level?

Relative to how he was outside of his peak, Clarke was ridiculous. Looked one of the most dominant batsmen in modern memory for two or three years, then looked like an octogenarian who had forgotten how to play the bouncer after that.
I suppose if he continues as he his for a while, then ends his career like he started it, it would count as an incredibly long, incredibly flat peak. The Table Mountain of batting careers.
 

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
How did Dev, Hadlee and Benaud show up in peak-33 batting lists but Laxman, Hayden, Younis etc. didn't?
 

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Murali's stats in any kind of peak discussion are always most startling to me among all cricketers. Sheer weight of wickets, 5fers and 10fers is ridiculous. (Don't say Bradman because it's not his peak but sheer existence that is ridiculous).
 
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vitalogy83

U19 Debutant
How did Dev, Hadlee and Benaud show up in peak-33 batting lists but Laxman, Hayden, Younis etc. didn't?
This list is not an exhaustive list. It's just a bunch of players that I have checked the P33 for..

Feel free to do Laxman, Hayden, Younis :) The instructions are fairly easy to follow.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
I use a 50 innings peak in my ratings for test batsmen and test bowlers.

Without revealing the top 100 (that will hopefully be released next year!), here are the top 10 peaks for batsmen and bowlers (Averages were adjusted by era, opposition faced and conditions).

The points per innings is based on the innings ratings for test batsmen and bowlers which I have a separate thread for.

Top 10 Batsmen by 50 Innings Peak (Peak Period, Average, Strike-rate, Points per innings)

DG Bradman 1930-1946 101.18 70.24 8.10
IVA Richards 1976-1981 71.13 63.00 6.43
RT Ponting 2004-2006 70.81 54.96 6.15
JB Hobbs 1910-1925 71.65 56.26 5.70
SPD Smith 2014-2017 71.41 54.44 5.65
SR Waugh 1993-1997 77.84 47.66 5.01
KC Sangakkara 2006-2010 68.32 52.13 5.90
GS Sobers 1957-1963 69.15 57.00 5.53
SM Gavaskar 1977-1980 66.62 50.00 6.00
AB de Villiers 2010-2014 66.25 52.62 5.94

Top 10 Bowlers by 50 Innings Peak (Peak Period, Average, Strike-rate, Points per innings)

M Muralitharan 2003-2007 16.65 42.00 8.62
Imran Khan 1980-1986 15.16 41.51 6.77
Waqar Younis 1990-1994 18.03 34.67 7.98
Sir RJ Hadlee 1984-1988 17.70 42.03 7.84
MD Marshall 1984-1988 17.42 40.59 7.34
DW Steyn 2007-2010 19.16 38.33 6.97
SF Barnes 1902-1914 20.25 50.92 8.19
AA Donald 1996-1999 18.83 39.94 6.74
R Ashwin 2012-2016 19.84 46.67 7.15
SK Warne 2002-2005 20.35 47.71 7.30



Based on these two lists, one could make a reasonable XI

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Richards
Ponting
Gilchrist (wk)
Imran Khan
Hadlee
Marshall
Waqar Younis
Muralitharan
 
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srbhkshk

International Captain
I use a 50 innings peak in my ratings for test batsmen and test bowlers.

Without revealing the top 100 (that will hopefully be released next year!), here are the top 10 peaks for batsmen and bowlers (Averages were adjusted by era, opposition faced and conditions).

The points per innings is based on the innings ratings for test batsmen and bowlers which I have a separate thread for.

Top 10 Batsmen by 50 Innings Peak (Peak Period, Average, Strike-rate, Points per innings)

DG Bradman 1930-1946 101.18 70.24 8.10
IVA Richards 1976-1981 71.13 63.00 6.43
RT Ponting 2004-2006 70.81 54.96 6.15
JB Hobbs 1910-1925 71.65 56.26 5.70
SPD Smith 2014-2017 71.41 54.44 5.65
SR Waugh 1993-1997 77.84 47.66 5.01
KC Sangakkara 2006-2010 68.32 52.13 5.90
GS Sobers 1957-1963 69.15 57.00 5.53
SM Gavaskar 1977-1980 66.62 50.00 6.00
AB de Villiers 2010-2014 66.25 52.62 5.94

Top 10 Bowlers by 50 Innings Peak (Peak Period, Average, Strike-rate, Points per innings)

M Muralitharan 2003-2007 16.65 42.00 8.62
Imran Khan 1980-1986 15.16 41.51 6.77
Waqar Younis 1990-1994 18.03 34.67 7.98
Sir RJ Hadlee 1984-1988 17.70 42.03 7.84
MD Marshall 1984-1988 17.42 40.59 7.34
DW Steyn 2007-2010 19.16 38.33 6.97
SF Barnes 1902-1914 20.25 50.92 8.19
AA Donald 1996-1999 18.83 39.94 6.74
R Ashwin 2012-2016 19.84 46.67 7.15
SK Warne 2002-2005 20.35 47.71 7.30



Based on these two lists, one could make a reasonable XI

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Richards
Ponting
Gilchrist (wk)
Imran Khan
Hadlee
Marshall
Waqar Younis
Muralitharan
Personally I'd drop one of the quicks - probably Younis and get Sobers instead.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
I suppose if he continues as he his for a while, then ends his career like he started it, it would count as an incredibly long, incredibly flat peak. The Table Mountain of batting careers.
Yeah but then the whole exercise becomes just "list of ATG batsmen" which is far less interesting to me than "batsman whose output during their peak was enormous relative to otherwise" i.e. the peakiest peak
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
What I had in my mind while making the thread, currently Kohli's all format average is about 17 better than the nearest competitors, some of the peaks mentioned like Ponting/Sachin whilst being pretty good performances aren't applicable because there were other batsman averaging just 3-4 runs below these guys.
 

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah but then the whole exercise becomes just "list of ATG batsmen" which is far less interesting to me than "batsman whose output during their peak was enormous relative to otherwise" i.e. the peakiest peak
I don't disagree.
 

Burgey

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Sachin’s sells him a bit short, really. If you widen it slightly to all of 1997 and 2003, right before he had injury troubles, his average takes a hit but it’s still pretty great:

59 Tests
5705 runs
63.38 avg
21 tons
20 50’s

Geez he was dangerous in the 90s, wish he toured more often to Oz during that time.
Would’ve KO’ed that average a bit, but yeah, we didn’t see him between 91/92 and 99/00. Was a great shame.
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I think then that to measure the peakiest peak you need to look at the difference in average between their peak average and overall average.

I daresay Botham will be right up there on such a comparison.
 

Shady Slim

International Coach
Steve Smith was first picked as a batsman in 2013

Since that time

52 tests
5175 runs
63.88 average
20 tons
20 fifties
**** all support
Opposition doctoring wickets to curtail him
these apply to a factor of zero in australia where the exact opposite is true so it's swings and roundabouts
 

OverratedSanity

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I think then that to measure the peakiest peak you need to look at the difference in average between their peak average and overall average.

I daresay Botham will be right up there on such a comparison.
In Gautam Gambhir's peak of 14 tests from Jul 08 to Jan 2010, he scored almost half his career runs averaging 79.8 and all but one of his 9 total hundreds. In the remaining 44 tests either side of that stretch he scored 1 ton and averaged 30.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
 

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