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    Was Steve Waugh a selfish cricketer? - yes according to Chappelli

    There was an article in yesterday's Herald Sun where Chappelli named his 20 greatest Ashes cricketers, and left Steve Waugh (and Boycott) out, claiming that Steve Waugh is "selfish".

    Unlike some, I generally enjoy Chappelli's take on the game and his commentary, but I've never understood his stance against Steve Waugh. He seems to belittle him at every opportunity, and I've never seen any reason.

    FWIW, Steve Waugh averaged 58 against England, and averaged a whopping 74 in England over the course of 22 tests played there. Chappelli include Doug Walters in his list, in spite of the fact he averaged 35 against England and only 25 in England.

    The fact of the matter is Steve Waugh is more than likely the best performed batsman in Eng/Aus contests in the last 50 years, and Chappelli leaving him out is completely absurd.
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    Chappell hated Waugh from the moment he put the hook shot away.
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    With Chappelli on this one - Waugh was never interested in making a game of it - he was always intent on grinding the oppo into the ground

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    I thought the claim of selfish was due to him not farming the strike with the tail enders so they could get out and he could boost his average with a not out
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    I thought the claim of selfish was due to him not farming the strike with the tail enders so they could get out and he could boost his average with a not out
    I legit think Waugh believed in his tail enders to be able to hold an end up. Farming the strike causes as many problems as it solves imo, manufactured shots for singles at the end of an over and run out possibilities that weren't really necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Chappell hated Waugh from the moment he put the hook shot away.
    Is this all there is to it?

    Chappell also uses his article to have a dig at Botham too.

    Guy can definitely hold a long grudge.

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    He also used that article to suggest David Warner is the 9th best Ashes cricketer since 1972.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    With Chappelli on this one - Waugh was never interested in making a game of it - he was always intent on grinding the oppo into the ground
    That's "ruthless" rather than "selfish".

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    I've had a chance to look at his list. So much I don't agree with, though at least he sets out his biases at the beginning of the article. A few interesting ones included - I think Anderson and Swan are good selections in general; whether they should be in the spots he's picked them is very questionable imo. I think GC is too high, as great a player as he is. Dougie, much as I love him, really shouldn't be included imo. His record in England is awful. Warner shouldn't be there either, not by a long shot. Botham as low as 14 is ridiculous. Root and Stokes being there at all likewise - they're in the same category as Warner and Smith imo, too early to say. cook certainly worthy of inclusion imo.

    The exclusion of Waugh is so transparent it's basically glass, Horrendous. Likewise TOTAB at 24, ****ing hopeless.
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    At least he set out his reasons for his comments on Botham, but lets face it that is all grudge. Generally the list is so inconsistent, venegeful and splenetic that I rate it amongst the 25 worst ashes articles ever written.

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    Just for convenience, here's his top 25:
    1. Dennis Lillee
    2. Shane Warne
    3. Greg Chappell
    4. Ricky Ponting
    5. Glenn McGrath
    6. Jimmy Anderson
    7. Adam Gilchrist
    8. Doug Walters
    9. Dave Warner
    10. Kevin Pietersen
    11. Jeff Thomson
    12. Steve Smith
    13. Joe Root
    14. Ian Botham
    15. Ben Stokes
    16. Rodney Marsh
    17. Alan Knott
    18. Ian Healy
    19. Mark Waugh
    20. David Gower
    21. Graeme Swann
    22. Michael Slater
    23. Mitchell Johnson
    24. Allan Border
    25. Alastair Cook

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    Ben Stokes- 9 Ashes tests vs Australia, batting average of 30, 26 wickets at 33. Ranked 15

    Steve Waugh- 44 Ashes tests, batting average of 58. Cant get a gig.
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