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    I usually rate by Three's. Thus :

    Marshall
    Ambrose
    Imran

    Lillee
    McGrath
    Hadlee

    Trueman
    Lindwall
    Holding

    Wasim Akram

    So, no - Steyn does not make the Top 10. 11 perhaps as of now.

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    Atg fast bowlers imo:

    WI

    Amby
    Mm
    Holding
    Garner


    Oz

    Lindwall
    Lillee
    McGrath
    Davidson

    PAK

    Wasim
    Imran
    Waqar

    RSA

    Donald
    Steyn
    S Pollock
    Admittedly don't know much about RSA

    Nz

    Hadlee

    Eng

    Trueman

    My point?? There isn't much to choose between the top 15 or so fast bowlers. I'm sure I've forgotten a few.

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    Steyn is comfortably better bowler than Mcgrath in Asia. They have both played similar innings in SC (34 vs 36) and Steyn has five 5fer in his resume compared to only one for Mcgrath.

    Something to consider.

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    Steyn's in my top 5, but Apart from McGrath and Marshall being at my 1-2 I'm not sure on the order of the rest.
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    Top 5 for me as well, although there is not much between the very best fast bowlers ever so top 10 would be a perfectly reasonable viewpoint. Below Marshall and alongside the likes of Hadlee, Ambrose and McGrath.

    Not often I say this but Fredfertang's comments are absurd. Not necessarily in the top five South Africans? Steyn is objectively just so far ahead of all his contemporaries, with a strike rate that compares favourably to pretty much anyone ever in one of the most batting friendly eras, a great record in traditional fast bowling graveyards and a history of ripping through some of the best batting lineups in the world. What more can you ask?
    Last edited by a massive zebra; 09-10-2017 at 06:38 PM.

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    Ambrose often goes missing into such debates. Is it because he didn't play enough in Asia? Or because he played in more bowling friendly era? Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Ambrose often goes missing into such debates. Is it because he didn't play enough in Asia? Or because he played in more bowling friendly era? Any thoughts?
    His name is there in one in 3 posts of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
    His name is there in one in 3 posts of this thread.
    Talking in general. Have read countless old threads and while everyone accepts he is ATG, usually he rarely gets mention in top-tier league of bowlers.
    Last edited by Chrish; 09-10-2017 at 08:20 PM.

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    Ambrose is second only to Marshall amongst West Indies quicks. He's only just a shade behind McGrath I'm most people's minds I'd say.

    It's hard to compare bowlers and even harder to do so between countries and across eras but in my mind Steyn is unquestionably the best South African quick of all time. He takes the new pill with Pollock, Donald bowling first change in an AT South African XI.

    Top shelf quicks by country:

    Aus:
    McGrath
    Lillee
    Lindwall
    Davidson

    West Indies:
    Marshall
    Ambrose
    Holding
    Garner
    Roberts

    England:
    Trueman

    New Zealand:
    Hadlee

    South Africa:
    Steyn
    Donald

    Pakistan:
    Wasim
    Imran
    Waqar

    You can pretty much pick any combination of the above fast bowlers and have an ATG fast bowling attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Ambrose is second only to Marshall amongst West Indies quicks. He's only just a shade behind McGrath I'm most people's minds I'd say.

    It's hard to compare bowlers and even harder to do so between countries and across eras but in my mind Steyn is unquestionably the best South African quick of all time. He takes the new pill with Pollock, Donald bowling first change in an AT South African XI.

    Top shelf quicks by country:

    Aus:
    McGrath
    Lillee
    Lindwall
    Davidson

    West Indies:
    Marshall
    Ambrose
    Holding
    Garner
    Roberts

    England:
    Trueman

    New Zealand:
    Hadlee

    South Africa:
    Steyn
    Donald

    Pakistan:
    Wasim
    Imran
    Waqar

    You can pretty much pick any combination of the above fast bowlers and have an ATG fast bowling attack.
    If only Bond had played more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
    If only Bond had played more.
    I originally had him on the list but then removed him since I'd have to put bowlers like Reid, Harris and Bishop on there. This is about the cream of the crop. Only the very best make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Ambrose is second only to Marshall amongst West Indies quicks. He's only just a shade behind McGrath I'm most people's minds I'd say.

    It's hard to compare bowlers and even harder to do so between countries and across eras but in my mind Steyn is unquestionably the best South African quick of all time. He takes the new pill with Pollock, Donald bowling first change in an AT South African XI.

    Top shelf quicks by country:

    Aus:
    McGrath
    Lillee
    Lindwall
    Davidson

    West Indies:
    Marshall
    Ambrose
    Holding
    Garner
    Roberts

    England:
    Trueman

    New Zealand:
    Hadlee

    South Africa:
    Steyn
    Donald

    Pakistan:
    Wasim
    Imran
    Waqar

    You can pretty much pick any combination of the above fast bowlers and have an ATG fast bowling attack.
    Awta!!!

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    SA quicks for me :

    Tier 1

    Steyn
    Donald
    Procter
    Adcock
    P.Pollock
    S.Pollock
    Le Roux
    Van der Bijl
    Philander
    (Rabada potentially)

    Tier 2 :

    Hanley
    Ntini
    Heine
    De Villiers
    Morkel
    Jefferies
    Van Zyl
    Schultz
    Watson
    Abbott
    Last edited by SeamUp; 10-10-2017 at 02:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    SA quicks for me :

    Tier 1

    Steyn
    Donald
    Procter
    Adcock
    P.Pollock
    S.Pollock
    Le Roux
    Van der Bijl
    Philander
    (Rabada potentially)

    Tier 2 :

    Hanley
    Ntini
    Heine
    De Villiers
    Morkel
    Jefferies
    Van Zyl
    Schultz
    Watson
    Abbott
    Does Clive Rice not make your tier 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Pilch View Post
    Does Clive Rice not make your tier 2?
    Was sort of looking for guys who were 'opening bowlers' or was their main suit but definitely would be capable to get in there.

    Clive was a proper all-rounder but always felt batting was his bread and butter.

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