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    I rate him as highly as anyone, but just playing devil's advocate, do we hold it against him that he played so much in SA?

    People were saying when analysing Graeme Smith's batting average it should be taken into account that he played so much in SA, which is traditionally fast-bowler friendly, especially with the new ball. If that's the case then you'd have to take it into account when rating Steyn as a bowler, just logically speaking.

    I don't think it means he isn't an ATG or doesn't belong in the top 5, not by a long shot, but would you have to take it into account when regarding his statistics as people did with Graeme Smith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    By most accounts Barnes wasnt quick e.g. Bradman rated O'Reilly higher as Barnes didnt have a googly

    Impossible to rate Spofforth

    Larwood ranks lower on basis of longevity as does Tyson

    Many experts rank Lindwall below Lillee whom I rate below McGrath

    I seriously doubt that Davidson was as good as Akram
    I'd rank Lillee higher also, but I might be tempted to have Lindwall ahead of Steyn. I'd rank Lillee however above McGrath but this is just a preference thing.

    If averages count for anything, A. Davidson 20.53, Akram 23.62? Economy 1.98 over Akram's 2.59? I'm not making an argument either way - I'd have Akram above Steyn though. If we are dismissing players on (lack of) longevity, should we not similarly raise the profile of somebody like an Anderson or Broad - or even a Ntini?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I rate him as highly as anyone, but just playing devil's advocate, do we hold it against him that he played so much in SA?

    People were saying when analysing Graeme Smith's batting average it should be taken into account that he played so much in SA, which is traditionally fast-bowler friendly, especially with the new ball. If that's the case then you'd have to take it into account when rating Steyn as a bowler, just logically speaking.

    I don't think it means he isn't an ATG or doesn't belong in the top 5, not by a long shot, but would you have to take it into account when regarding his statistics as people did with Graeme Smith?
    By that token bowlers from the SC should get extra points for bowling on unhelpful wickets
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    By that token bowlers from the SC should get extra points for bowling on unhelpful wickets
    they do

    maybe not as much as they should though. One thing I've noticed is that people tend to use where a team plays as a way to rate batsmen's averages but they don't seem to do it for bowlers as much.

    eg. Australian batsman has high average, "doesn't count as much because he plays on roads". But the same concession isn't given to Australian bowlers very often. (just using Australia as an example for obvious reasons)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuller Pilch View Post
    SF Barnes? Lindwall? Tyson? Davidson?
    Trueman? Lillee? Holding?
    You suggested 6 names for top 5 In addition to 5 mentioned by kk.
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    After McGrath and MM, it just becomes too hard.

    Personally can't split between Akram, Lillee, Trueman, Steyn, Garner, Davidson and Donald but my bias says top 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I rate him as highly as anyone, but just playing devil's advocate, do we hold it against him that he played so much in SA?

    People were saying when analysing Graeme Smith's batting average it should be taken into account that he played so much in SA, which is traditionally fast-bowler friendly, especially with the new ball. If that's the case then you'd have to take it into account when rating Steyn as a bowler, just logically speaking.

    I don't think it means he isn't an ATG or doesn't belong in the top 5, not by a long shot, but would you have to take it into account when regarding his statistics as people did with Graeme Smith?
    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    By that token bowlers from the SC should get extra points for bowling on unhelpful wickets
    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    they do

    maybe not as much as they should though. One thing I've noticed is that people tend to use where a team plays as a way to rate batsmen's averages but they don't seem to do it for bowlers as much.

    eg. Australian batsman has high average, "doesn't count as much because he plays on roads". But the same concession isn't given to Australian bowlers very often. (just using Australia as an example for obvious reasons)
    Steyn's the most successful overseas pacer ever in the subcontinent

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Yes, it isn't far fetched to rank him alongside those greats
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    Steyn's the most successful overseas pacer ever in the subcontinent

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    yeah, i have said earlier that i don't think its unreasonable to rank him top 5 of all time.

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    I've been watching since the early 90s, and in my time, I'd say he's neck and neck with McGrath and Akram, just ahead of Ambrose.

    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    By most accounts Barnes wasnt quick e.g. Bradman rated O'Reilly higher as Barnes didnt have a googly

    Impossible to rate Spofforth

    Larwood ranks lower on basis of longevity as does Tyson

    Many experts rank Lindwall below Lillee whom I rate below McGrath

    I seriously doubt that Davidson was as good as Akram
    Wow - couple of things from that:
    - Courtney Walsh in the subcontinent. Wow
    - Kapil Dev's stats in the subcontinent are wretched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Steyn's the most successful overseas pacer ever in the subcontinent

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    ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    ok?
    Well you said bowling well in the SC should get more credit, so I thought it was a relevant statistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _00_deathscar View Post
    I've been watching since the early 90s, and in my time, I'd say he's neck and neck with McGrath and Akram, just ahead of Ambrose.



    Wow - couple of things from that:
    - Courtney Walsh in the subcontinent. Wow
    - Kapil Dev's stats in the subcontinent are wretched.
    This doesn't take into account the home matches of players

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Well you said bowling well in the SC should get more credit, so I thought it was a relevant statistic.
    Oh yeah, I was so focused on my overall point that I forgot I said that

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    Top 20 seems about right.
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    If Steyn’s place in top 5 SA bowlers is not guaranteed, then SA has the best bowling lineup of all teams by a considerable distance..
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