The worst player to have achieved a given thing and the best player not to

[Bijed]

Ernest Tyldesley, Jack Ryder and Charles Davis, Vinod Kambli and Matthew Hayden must be among the worst to do it.

Voges maybe? Even if not. he would walk home in the contest for worst to average 60 (not that there's exactly a huge number of competitors ofc)

 

[honestbharani]

Voges for sure when it comes to averaginng 50+. If you can put Kambli there, you should definitely put Voges.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Voges' batting average discussion imminent.

 

[fredfertang]

Voges' batting average discussion imminent.

Can threads be put on ignore?

 

[AndrewB]

How about 10-fers.

I know Joel Garner and Ray Lindwall never got one. Allan Border did take a 10-fer once but there may well be worse contenders.

Greg Matthews is the worst by average (48.22), followed by Mark Craig, Chris Pringle, Laxman Sivaramakrishnan and Jason Krejza.

Bob Willis has the most wickets without a 10-fer. Jason Gillespie is joint 5th on the list (with Garner), as well as having (easily) the worst average of a batsman with a 200.

 

[marc71178]

While Colly's 159 first-class wickets at 39.27 would say something different again.

They really wouldn't - they'd only serve to back up the initial assessment...

 

[AndrewB]

would say Chetan Chauhan is even more of an anomaly than Laird. 40 tests, 16 fifties, no tons

Trying to come up with the best Test XI without a 100 or a 5-fer:

Bruce Laird
Chetan Chauhan
Brian Bolus
Brian Close*
Ken Mackay
Alan Fairfax
Jock Cameron+
Roy Kilner
Winston Benjamin
Tony Gray
Mike Hendrick

Edit: As Teuton has pointed out, Mackay is ineligible, so replace him with Barry Shepherd.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Steve Waugh should have had 3. Def deserved to be there in 03 over Harvey/Hogg(no offence to them) and well i'm sure his inclusion would have hardly been a detriment to us

Nah if Steve Waugh was in the side then Andrew Symonds probably would have missed out and he single-handedly won a couple of very important games that tournament. Waugh was past it as an ODI player IMO.

 

[quincywagstaff]

Best Test player to never play a Test in England?

I'd be surprised if there's a better one than Stuart MacGill.

 

[Teuton]

Mackay took a 6-fer so that would rule him out.

 

[TheJediBrah]

How about a batting average of 50?

I would nominate WG, Ranjitsinhji, Trumper, Harvey, Boycott, Kanhai, Crowe, Inzamam, Jayawardene, Clarke and Amla as among the best not to do it.

Ernest Tyldesley, Jack Ryder, Charles Davis, Vinod Kambli and Matthew Hayden must be among the worst to do it.

yeah . . . can't agree with you there. Hayden was an absolute great of the game.

 

[mr_mister]

Fairfax averaged over 50 in tests but only around 30 in FC

 

[mr_mister]

The only amazing thing about Chauhan is that he ever reached double figures.

eh, not really

im not saying he was better than Laird or others who never scored a ton

but it is an anomaly, a specialist bat, retained for 40 tests without a ton. its an interesting tidbit no matter how you look at it

 

[social]

Jack Noreiga is the only West Indian bowler to have taken 9 wickets in a test innings

On his player page in cricinfo, Tony Cozier wrote that he was a nice guy but a club level bowler

 

[ankitj]

How about a batting average of 50?

I would nominate WG, Ranjitsinhji, Trumper, Harvey, Boycott, Kanhai, Crowe, Inzamam, Jayawardene, Clarke and Amla as among the best not to do it.

Ernest Tyldesley, Jack Ryder, Charles Davis, Vinod Kambli and Matthew Hayden must be among the worst to do it.

Bit too harsh on Hayden. For a good 4-5 years he was legitimately among the top tier test batsmen in the world.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Shane Warne pulled Liz Hurley.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

eh, not really

im not saying he was better than Laird or others who never scored a ton

but it is an anomaly, a specialist bat, retained for 40 tests without a ton. its an interesting tidbit no matter how you look at it

He was retained because Gavaskar liked batting with him. To be fair they had a reasonable record at the time.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Flintoff should've had at least one 10-fer.

By the same token, Border's 11 wicket haul has to rank as one of the great overachievements.

 

[weldone]

How about a batting average of 50?

I would nominate WG, Ranjitsinhji, Trumper, Harvey, Boycott, Kanhai, Crowe, Inzamam, Jayawardene, Clarke and Amla as among the best not to do it.

Ernest Tyldesley, Jack Ryder, Charles Davis, Vinod Kambli and Matthew Hayden must be among the worst to do it.

Rahane should be in the first list, and some would say Kohli too

 

[OverratedSanity]

He was retained because Gavaskar liked batting with him. To be fair they had a reasonable record at the time.

He was the best partner gavaskar ever had in his career. India didn't exactly have an abundance of top quality batsman in that era.