Is test cricket about to enter a golden phase of captaincy?

[TheJediBrah]

Yea see what you say is fair, but if anyone wants to insist that Ponting is a good captain then it is fair to hold the 3 ashes losses against him. If he can be credited with the success of the ATG side around him he can be blamed for the failures of the weaker side around him too.

No one credits him with that though?

its odd isn't it. ponting seems like such a sound guy off the pitch.

then you have vaughan who seemed fairly mild mannered and a real thinker on the pitch, but it turns out off it he is a weapons grade dickhead.

Wow yeah almost as if a player's actions on the field aren't necessarily a reflection of them as a person

weird

 

[ImpatientLime]

No one credits him with that though?



Wow yeah almost as if a player's actions on the field aren't necessarily a reflection of them as a person

weird

at least i can live safe in the knowledge that you're a dickhead in all walks of life.

 

[TheJediBrah]

at least i can live safe in the knowledge that you're a dickhead in all walks of life.

Is that really necessary?

And how could you possibly know that?

 

[honestbharani]

I always thought he was one of their chief sledgers on the field.

Definitely was. He was in the thick of it during monkeygate as well. He just sucked up to Indian fans since then.

 

[Pratters]

Regarding the opening post - too early to say.

 

[Flem274*]

That's not true. Fleming got praised throughout his career. Benaud always got praised. Brearley literally played his entire career as a specialist captain.

not true at least for fleming. i signed up to cw on the morning of our 2007 world cup exit so i could follow cricket discussions that weren't eviscerations of fleming (along with mccullum sucks, bond is soft, murali chucks). he copped it throughout his career from both nz radio and print media.

 

[Top_Cat]

No one credits him with that though?

Yeah this. Ponting gets smashed as a **** captain both for having great players and weak players around him whereas Waugh gets a free pass for the former at least. It's not impossible that Ponting was so toilet as a skipper that the success of the team was entirely independent of him but anyone who's played the game knows that's rubbish.

Have never understood why people think Waugh was a more aggressive captain either. Ponting was too blindly aggressive, bowled Johnson into the ground trying to buy wickets and never countenanced a 3rd man in the '05 Ashes despite England scoring freely there and running away with the game. Wasn't a great skipper in India, aside from the whole avoiding suspension thing. Waugh at least knew when to back off and get mean.

 

[Bijed]

Always thought Ponting was a pretty decent captain, but I do remember wondering why on earth he was giving Marcus North so many overs at Cardiff '09 (I know it was to squeeze in as many possible, but the trade-off didn't seem worth it). I mean, Panesar confidently cut him for four, which is generally a sign that you might not have the right man on.

Certainly wasn't complaining about this at the time though

 

[mr_mister]

There is no "conduct" here. Just posts and responses. And bailing out on a completely bad post saying "its a joke" is just plain lame. You made a bad post. I called it one. Get on with your life.

sorry but i cant just let this slide. you didn't call me out on a thing pal. do you really think i was being serious? I'm aware Lara and Hayden were on good terms. I dont actually think the test high score is some holy grail that someone would get mad with power over. It's just a funny thing to think about it.

There is definitely merit in treating people nice on here btw, and im asking you nicely to be a little less snappy to me in the future. thankyou. Last thread you couldnt make a post without calling me a one eyed aussie fan, so like, yeah. ease up.

 

[honestbharani]

sorry but i cant just let this slide. you didn't call me out on a thing pal. do you really think i was being serious? I'm aware Lara and Hayden were on good terms. I dont actually think the test high score is some holy grail that someone would get mad with power over. It's just a funny thing to think about it.

There is definitely merit in treating people nice on here btw, and im asking you nicely to be a little less snappy to me in the future. thankyou. Last thread you couldnt make a post without calling me a one eyed aussie fan, so like, yeah. ease up.

Srsly mate, I was honestly not snapping at you. I am sorry if it came across that way. I am just tired of that "selfish" story myth going around. If you say you made the post in jest, then fine. I didn't think so or maybe it did not come out properly that you were joking. Anyways, lets have a truce.

 

[mr_mister]

okay sounds good mate. peace from now on

 

[NUFAN]

I don't know about golden era of captaincy but all of the teams are picking excellent cricketers who aren't old so they have the potential to captain for the next 5+ years.

 

[NUFAN]

5 minutes after reading this I see that Angelo Mathews has stood down as captain from all 3 formats.

Is Tharanga part of the golden era (not officially named)

 

[Burgey]

He bowled part timers at a crucial phase of a test match (and series) away from home to ensure he does not get banned. I dunno where you are from but that is the very definition of selfish, defensive and stupid captaincy all at the same time. And this from a guy who called Lara "selfish" for his 400.

And so he should have bowled them.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I don't know about golden era of captaincy but all of the teams are picking excellent cricketers who aren't old so they have the potential to captain for the next 5+ years.

This pretty much sums it up perfectly actually

And so he should have bowled them.

the whole thing seems to be getting taken way out of proportion anyway. From what people were saying I thought he must have bowled a bunch of part timers for like 15 overs each, but he literally just bowled 4 overs of Hussey (which wasn't unusual for him in Tests) and 6 overs of Clarke (who has a better bowling record in India than the specialist spinners anyway). And regardless it's not at all like it would have had any influence on the result of the match. Just a massive whinge tbh

Not saying it definitely isn't "selfish", but it's definitely debatable (personally I don't see at as selfish at all, clearly the team needs its captain and best batsman after all) and comparing it to Lara's 400 in terms of selfishness is laughable

 

[Burgey]

Bloody brett Lee was the cause of any and every over rare issue Australia had during his time. Whenever he wasn't playing the problem seemed to go away.

 

[Athlai]

not true at least for fleming. i signed up to cw on the morning of our 2007 world cup exit so i could follow cricket discussions that weren't eviscerations of fleming (along with mccullum sucks, bond is soft, murali chucks). he copped it throughout his career from both nz radio and print media.

NZ radio and print media is pretty much the epitome of kiwaah

 

[TheJediBrah]

Fwiw Australian commentators/sports media loved Stephen Fleming. They decided early on to typecast him as the "funky clever captain from little NZ" and every thing he did lived up to it.

 

[Athlai]

He was pretty revered here as well, Phlegm is just extra sensitive to our talkback radio.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Statistically Ponting's win ration (62.34%) is second to only Waugh's (71.93%), but with three Ashes defeats surely he can not be credited as one of the 'greats' by the Australian public - if I understand the Aussie mentality correctly (which I concede I perhaps don't)? Especially with critics in the background citing Warne's credentials. Ponting also will never live down that Edgbaston coin toss. He did inherit Australia at a curious time in their history, the tailend of the legendary Warne-McGrath era and beginning of their 'replacements' (who could not possibly come anywhere close to the former). It was a transitional era. I think he did a good job considering.