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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    I think Ponting being seen as a poor captain is a testament to the quality of the others at the time. Ponting was a very competent captain.
    Not everyone can be Steven "3 gullies for Damien Martyn and 4 deep backward square-legs for Adam Gilchrist" Fleming

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    When was this? I can only find a test in 2008 where part-timers didn't really bowl and India won easily, and one in 2004 that Australia won easily and Ponting wasn't even playing

    edit: not saying I don't believe you just interested in seeing the context
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    Ponting if I am not wrong is the only captain to lose three Ashes series. That should disqualify him from serious consideration, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    When was this? I can only find a test in 2008 where part-timers didn't really bowl and India won easily, and one in 2004 that Australia won easily and Ponting wasn't even playing

    edit: not saying I don't believe you just interested in seeing the context
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    That chance faded after Ponting was told he was 10 overs behind the required rate. Mitchell Johnson bowled the first over after tea but Cameron White and Mike Hussey were then brought into the attack and leaked 45 runs between them in six overs. In the commentary box, Allan Border, the former Australian captain whose name adorns the trophy, was incredulous.

    "I don't know what to make of all this. They go into the tea break on a high and come out worrying about over rates," Border said on air. "I am glad Ricky can't read my mind right now because he is not going to like it".
    Mike Hussey Crazy thing is that Michael Clarke bowled after Hussey; considering he'd taken 3 wickets in an over earlier that year against the same opponents to win a Test, how on earth was he brought on after Hussey if they wanted quick overs?
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    Ponting was selfless. He often took on the risk of being banned for cheating so he could increase his team's chances of winning. Great captain and masterful cheat.
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    Ponting wasn't an outrageously bad captain, but he was pretty standard. I wouldn't back him to make the most out of a limited team like you would for a Fleming or Jayawaradene. Did a great job of managing the personalities in the team though - could you imagine how Warne might have turned out under any other skipper? In reality that's all that was needed of him. So he played his role perfectly.

    I've always felt Mushy is a fairly terrible captain. Kinda just has the job due to seniority and being a lock in the team for so long. Does make fairly poor tactical and strategical decisions. MSD as a Test captain also declined towards the end of his career, but that was tied to India's bowling attack going through that terrible slump and the Fab 4 fading in the middle order. Couldn't really do much, but was still depressing to see how negative he got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Ponting wasn't an outrageously bad captain, but he was pretty standard. I wouldn't back him to make the most out of a limited team like you would for a Fleming or Jayawaradene. Did a great job of managing the personalities in the team though - could you imagine how Warne might have turned out under any other skipper? In reality that's all that was needed of him. So he played his role perfectly.

    I've always felt Mushy is a fairly terrible captain. Kinda just has the job due to seniority and being a lock in the team for so long. Does make fairly poor tactical and strategical decisions. MSD as a Test captain also declined towards the end of his career, but that was tied to India's bowling attack going through that terrible slump and the Fab 4 fading in the middle order. Couldn't really do much, but was still depressing to see how negative he got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Nobody said Mushy was good or Dhoni.
    For some reason I felt this was a thread about terrible captains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Are we gonna pretend like Lara's 400 wasn't the most selfish act in cricket history?

    Again, purely tactically speaking, having contemporaries like Ganguly and Alistair "deep point" Cook made him look like tactical genius

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    How is it in any way shape or form more selfish than Ponting basically throwing a game away to save himself from a fine? Face it, what Punter did is closer to what Amir and Co. did than what Lara did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    When was this? I can only find a test in 2008 where part-timers didn't really bowl and India won easily, and one in 2004 that Australia won easily and Ponting wasn't even playing

    edit: not saying I don't believe you just interested in seeing the context

    yeah funny how you know everything about games that go right though... Are you aware of the entire context of Lara's 400, by the way? Coz you make it as though you were there in the dressing room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Ponting wasn't an outrageously bad captain, but he was pretty standard. I wouldn't back him to make the most out of a limited team like you would for a Fleming or Jayawaradene. Did a great job of managing the personalities in the team though - could you imagine how Warne might have turned out under any other skipper? In reality that's all that was needed of him. So he played his role perfectly.

    I've always felt Mushy is a fairly terrible captain. Kinda just has the job due to seniority and being a lock in the team for so long. Does make fairly poor tactical and strategical decisions. MSD as a Test captain also declined towards the end of his career, but that was tied to India's bowling attack going through that terrible slump and the Fab 4 fading in the middle order. Couldn't really do much, but was still depressing to see how negative he got.

    Ponting was an average captain who did that one shocking deed which makes him fall down even from that level, in my book.

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    This will only be looked at as a golden period of test captaincy in 15 years time. Like all captains they will be relentlessly **** on until they retire, at which point whoever takes over will be terrible in comparison. This never ends and has no winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    This will only be looked at as a golden period of test captaincy in 15 years time. Like all captains they will be relentlessly **** on until they retire, at which point whoever takes over will be terrible in comparison. This never ends and has no winner.
    That's not true. Fleming got praised throughout his career. Benaud always got praised. Brearley literally played his entire career as a specialist captain.

    I think the real issue is the captaincy is ridiculously hard and your success and failure can depend heavily on circumstances out of your control. There is a thin line between being an innovative, clever captain and a rubbish one who tries dumb things. That's why most captains just do the boring, predictable, routine things when on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    yeah funny how you know everything about games that go right though... Are you aware of the entire context of Lara's 400, by the way? Coz you make it as though you were there in the dressing room.

    here's some context. hayden took the record from Lara. Lara got mad. Lara wanted it back and he'd be damned if it stood as Hayden v Zimbabwe as the ultimate test high score. It was Hammond/Hutton all over again, sort of...
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    In other words, you have no ****ing idea.

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