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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Uh, Hayden?

    You know Jayasuriya was opening in tests before Hayden right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Sehwag?
    Not really a clean overlap though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    You know Jayasuriya was opening in tests before Hayden right?
    True. Still, that style of opening was very much an outlier.

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    Sure.. but it was not something that they invented. Also, its not exactly a necessity even in today's game. But if you look at it post Gilchrist, the keeper needing to be a proper batsman is basically default these days.
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    Haynes is another one long before these blokes who was pretty successful at belting the ball around while opening. Dunno if he was as aggressive as these guys though.

    Agree with HB's point that aggressive openers hasn't become a necessity in Tests, but maybe to say 'Everything else were things that others teams were doing as well' would be slightly incorrect? Jayasuriya is the obvious one, and there's also Sehwag who debuted in the same year Hayden finally came good (in style, albeit 7 years after debut). So I guess spark's point is that it was just the two other teams doing it (unless I'm forgetting someone).
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    Well, obviously, I didn't mean like EVERY team did everything Australia were doing. I just meant that out of the things that made that Aussie team special, the unique thing and their lasting impact was Gilchrist and the role he played. All the other things that made that team special, others have had on their side at some point or the other. Maybe this rewording clarifies that a bit?


    I mean Warne was an awesome spinner but there were awesome spinners before him, even from Australia. Same with 6 very good quality batsmen for the time. Great fast bowling attack, check. So that is what I was trying to say.

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    Eh I think overall the fact that they were such aggressive bats all over (Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist especially) was much more a hallmark of their style of play than Gilchrist alone, who just happened to be someone who could have been a world class #3 who could also keep at a Test level.
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    But are we not talking about two different things here? Aggressive batting line ups were a thing of that team, sure, but as I said, I do not see it as a legacy of them as much as the Gilchrist role has become if you look at international cricket overall. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

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    Hayden being an over-aggressive Test Batsman is a bit of a myth IMO. People think of him that way because when he did play the big shots he was so excessive about it, eg. Walking down the pitch and slapping over midwicket, lots of sixes etc. But he left alone more deliveries outside off than most openers I've seen and had a lot of very slow innings'.

    Don't get me wrong, he was probably above-average in terms of scoring rate, but he was no Sehwag or Jayasuriya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Haynes is another one long before these blokes who was pretty successful at belting the ball around while opening. Dunno if he was as aggressive as these guys though.

    Agree with HB's point that aggressive openers hasn't become a necessity in Tests, but maybe to say 'Everything else were things that others teams were doing as well' would be slightly incorrect? Jayasuriya is the obvious one, and there's also Sehwag who debuted in the same year Hayden finally came good (in style, albeit 7 years after debut). So I guess spark's point is that it was just the two other teams doing it (unless I'm forgetting someone).
    Hayden was hugely influential in Sehwag's success tbh. Remember reading a Sehwag interview sometime back when he spoke about how he watched Hayden as a young bloke growing up and tried to emulate him in the back yard. He was also present in the crowd with his dad when Hayden made a double ton in Chennai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gob View Post
    Hayden was hugely influential in Sehwag's success tbh. Remember reading a Sehwag interview sometime back when he spoke about how he watched Hayden as a young bloke growing up and tried to emulate him in the back yard. He was also present in the crowd with his dad when Hayden made a double ton in Chennai.
    He made his international debut in the same series where Hayden came good and made his test debut later in the same year.

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