Cricket Player Manager
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 21

Thread: Cronje and his earpiece.

  1. #1
    International Captain Deja moo's Avatar
    Hexxagon Champion!
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Navi Mumbai , India
    Posts
    5,974

    Cronje and his earpiece.

    During the South Africa- India ODi in the WC99, Sourav Ganguly found hansie cronje apparently speaking to himself on the field. He then found that cronje had a small radio transmitter in his ear, which he was using to communicate with BOb woolmer, the coach.

    Ganguly complained to the umps, and the earpiece had to go.

    But sachin had already lost his wicket before the cheating was uncovered.

    Shouldnt some sort of action have been taken, like recalling the batsman ,since there is a possibility that the communication between cronje and woolmer may have led to sachins dismissal.?
    Millhouse: you know when your dog ate my goldfish bart and you told me i never had a goldfish, then why did i have the bowl bart! why did i have the bowl!!!!
    Karthik_moo@hotmail.com
    Member of the MSC and the AAAS
    Wanna Search ?
    Waughney : We are well taken care of here at the Rehab centre.

  2. #2
    International Regular Andre's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    3,123
    IMO, it's 5 years ago, Cronje has passed on and the result was hardly crucial to the 1999 tournament. Whether Sachin deserved a recall or not, it's not going to happen and it never was. Besides, it has the same effect as a 12th man running on a message as it does talking to a coach through the earpiece - either way the information is carried.

    For the record: Ganguly wasn't Indian captain, I believe Azharuddin was (possilbly Tendulkar).

  3. #3
    International Captain Deja moo's Avatar
    Hexxagon Champion!
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Navi Mumbai , India
    Posts
    5,974
    For the record: Ganguly wasn't Indian captain, I believe Azharuddin was (possilbly Tendulkar).
    Ganguly was the batsman on the field who noticed it first.

    IMO, it's 5 years ago, Cronje has passed on
    So if cronje was alive now, it'd be ok to bring it up?
    Cricketweb wasnt there 5 yrs ago.

    and the result was hardly crucial to the 1999 tournament.
    who knows? It could have been crucial for India to qualify for the semis.

    Besides, it has the same effect as a 12th man running on a message as it does talking to a coach through the earpiece - either way the information is carried.
    No, theres a lot of advantage to the earpiece technique.

    Umpires do not allow 12th men to run onto the field every over.

    The earpiece can be used for the whole duration of the match.

  4. #4
    International Captain Swervy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    An Aussie with a Lancashire accent living in Keighley,West Yorks
    Posts
    7,360
    Quote Originally Posted by orangepitch
    Ganguly was the batsman on the field who noticed it first.



    So if cronje was alive now, it'd be ok to bring it up?
    Cricketweb wasnt there 5 yrs ago.



    who knows? It could have been crucial for India to qualify for the semis.



    No, theres a lot of advantage to the earpiece technique.

    Umpires do not allow 12th men to run onto the field every over.

    The earpiece can be used for the whole duration of the match.
    a pretty lame excuse for india not doing well
    rave down, hit the ground


    MSN: djjacksono@hotmail.com


  5. #5
    International Regular Andre's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    3,123
    Quote Originally Posted by orangepitch
    Ganguly was the batsman on the field who noticed it first.
    My mistake. Apologies.

    So if cronje was alive now, it'd be ok to bring it up?
    Cricketweb wasnt there 5 yrs ago.
    That's not what I'm saying, but I do feel there is absolutely no need for this to have been brought up. He's made his mistakes, done his time - now let him be.

    who knows? It could have been crucial for India to qualify for the semis.
    No excuse. India played poorly for the most part of the tournament and only just qualified for the Super 6 stage ahead of England.

    No, theres a lot of advantage to the earpiece technique.

    Umpires do not allow 12th men to run onto the field every over.

    The earpiece can be used for the whole duration of the match.
    Not really. All well and good they can communicate but it doesn't take you wickets.

    Besides, the amount of time a 12th man will run out with a new pair of gloves or a drinkbottle in a match is more than nessesary.

  6. #6
    International Captain Loony BoB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Edinburgh (although I'm a New Zealander)
    Posts
    7,269
    Were there any written rules against using earpieces at the time? If so, then yes, there should have been consequences. If not, then you can't penalise them for doing something innovative if there aren't any rules against doing such a thing. Until they're told they can't do it, then pretty much can.
    REMEMBER: A couple of years in therapy, you'll get over it.

    Proud to be a member of the CW Colts


  7. #7
    International Captain Deja moo's Avatar
    Hexxagon Champion!
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Navi Mumbai , India
    Posts
    5,974
    Were there any written rules against using earpieces at the time? If so, then yes, there should have been consequences. If not, then you can't penalise them for doing something innovative if there aren't any rules against doing such a thing. Until they're told they can't do it, then pretty much can
    Then why was he made to remove the earpiece?
    If it wasnt against the rules, couldnt he have continued with them for the entire match/tournament ?

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Pali Hill-Bombay
    Posts
    2,535
    Ganguly was batting with Sachin, so I don't know how he complained. I remember gavaskar saw him and said in the commentary that he has to remove the earpiece and someone has to goto the field and tell him that

    South Africa make waves -Read here
    Last edited by Sehwag309; 20-04-2004 at 02:07 AM.

  9. #9
    International Captain Swervy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    An Aussie with a Lancashire accent living in Keighley,West Yorks
    Posts
    7,360
    the whole thing is such a non-issue

  10. #10
    Hall of Fame Member luckyeddie's Avatar
    Target Champion! Stuarts Xtreme Skateboarding Champion!
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Derby, England
    Posts
    17,752
    Stop!!!!

    This farce has gone on for long enough.

    Search the ground at Hove for corroborating evidence and replay the later phases of the 1999 World Cup.

    As someone said, Gavaskar mentioned the earpiece during the commentary, then Ganguly supposedly complained to the umpire.

    How did Gavaskar tell him? Through an earpiece of his ow..... (walks away, whistling)
    Nigel Clough's Black and White Army, beating Forest away with 10 men

  11. #11
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Pali Hill-Bombay
    Posts
    2,535
    I said Gavaskar mentioned in the commentary (thats for sure). I have no clue if ganguly complained, even if he did, obviously gavaskar couldn't tell him. And why are you mixing gavaskar's comments with what ganguly said, he could have seen on his own.

    Anyways, the man's not there anymore so there's no point discussing earpieces

  12. #12
    Hall of Fame Member luckyeddie's Avatar
    Target Champion! Stuarts Xtreme Skateboarding Champion!
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Derby, England
    Posts
    17,752
    Quote Originally Posted by Sehwag309
    I said Gavaskar mentioned in the commentary (thats for sure). I have no clue if ganguly complained, even if he did, obviously gavaskar couldn't tell him. And why are you mixing gavaskar's comments with what ganguly said, he could have seen on his own.

    Anyways, the man's not there anymore so there's no point discussing earpieces
    A bit touchy, aren't we?

  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Pali Hill-Bombay
    Posts
    2,535
    oh no mate!, not at all. I was only explaining

    Feel very sad for the man, one tour to india, couple of mistakes.....and his life changed and then gone

  14. #14
    Hall of Fame Member luckyeddie's Avatar
    Target Champion! Stuarts Xtreme Skateboarding Champion!
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Derby, England
    Posts
    17,752
    Quote Originally Posted by Sehwag309
    oh no mate!, not at all. I was only explaining

    Feel very sad for the man, one tour to india, couple of mistakes.....and his life changed and then gone
    It's all a long, long time ago.

    Interesting to note that we have players wired up for the Twenty20 cup and the like for the benefit of the tv viewers.

    I honestly cannot see what the fuss is/was about. In another thread there's mention of Javed Miandad's signalling every ball from the stands, so what difference would it make?

    Far cleaner than all this nonsense which goes on now - captain talks to bowler, bowler signals for a drink, passes message on to twelfth man. Five minutes later, bowler at the other end calls for a drink, gets the reply and passes it on to the captain.

    For 'bowler' substitute 'batsman', replace 'drink' with 'gloves'.

  15. #15
    Eyes not spreadsheets marc71178's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    England
    Posts
    57,896
    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    a pretty lame excuse for india not doing well
    Makes a change from blaming SRT!
    marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good!

    Anyone want to join the Society?

    Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •