Murali cleared!!! .... or not...?

[garage flower]

All this shifting around crap is beginning to get on my nerves. Why can't the ICC just get off it's butt and make a bloddy decision on this? Otherwise, players will be continually subject to tests and the ridicule that comes with it.

I'm a big fan of Murali's, but it does seem scandalously unfair if the rules are going to be bent (no pun intended) for him, while Jermaine Lawson, for example, has just undergone around 9 months of intense work - at no little cost to the cash-strapped WICB - to correct his faulty action.

 

[luckyeddie]

I'm a big fan of Murali's, but it does seem scandalously unfair if the rules are going to be bent (no pun intended) for him, while Jermaine Lawson, for example, has just undergone around 9 months of intense work - at no little cost to the cash-strapped WICB - to correct his faulty action.

Totally agree.

The 'investigation' has opened up an enormous can of worms, and I smell a typical ICC put up job.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Lol, so do I.

 

[marc71178]

Just what I was gonna say. Maybe Marc didn't read it.

Where does it say that though?

Reading it again it says that his arm is above a certain limit, but the UWA feel the limit is flawed.

 

[Slow Love™]

Where does it say that though?

Reading it again it says that his arm is above a certain limit, but the UWA feel the limit is flawed.

They said they'll commit to further research into flex levels for slow bowlers, because the Sri Lankans are arguing that his action is more like that of a fast bowler. As it stands though. he's outside ICC guidelines for legal deliveries. So your exasperation that people might possibly dare to still allege that Murali chucks the ball in light of the test's findings seemed a little strange.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Where does it say that though?

Reading it again it says that his arm is above a certain limit, but the UWA feel the limit is flawed.

No spinner has ever had a problem with that before.

There wouldn't be an uproar if this was Alok, as someone said previously.

 

[marc71178]

No spinner has ever had a problem with that before.

No spinner has ever had such a deformity.

The UWA concluded that although he exceeded a given "limit", he gains no advantage from it, and also, not once in that article does it say "He throws" or "he chucks"

 

[luckyeddie]

No spinner has ever had such a deformity.

The UWA concluded that although he exceeded a given "limit", he gains no advantage from it, and also, not once in that article does it say "He throws" or "he chucks"

Well, as the ICC closes ranks to protect Murali, the knives are coming out for Chris Broad

Stitch up - told you so

 

[marc71178]

The Sri Lankans were always going to complain about Broad - they did first and then the State newspaper decides to have a go.

From Broad's reputation, I doubt he cares.

 

[Tom Halsey]

No spinner has ever had such a deformity.

The UWA concluded that although he exceeded a given "limit", he gains no advantage from it, and also, not once in that article does it say "He throws" or "he chucks"

MEH.

If he exceeds the limit, he chucks, that's it.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Tolerance levels were recently introduced by the ICC - although not into the Laws of Cricket - because research into fast bowling indicated that some degree of elbow straightening was identified in 99% of cases. The natural elbow flexion spanned from 3 to 20 degrees.

After the completion of these studies, fast bowlers were permitted to straighten by 10 degrees, medium pacers 7.5 degrees and spinners five degrees

1) Everyone chucks a bit
2) The thresholds are arbitary
3) I find it hard to see why a spinner straightening 6.2 degrees chucks and a seamer with 9.3 doesn't

 

[Langeveldt]

Perfectly well.

Basically, he chucks, so they are shifting the rules to clear him.

Madness.

Brilliant stuff Halsey.. The Essex contingent have just outdone themselves.... Common sense doesnt have to be complicated

 

[Langeveldt]

1) Everyone chucks a bit

Says the guy who has been telling me for a long long time why Murali doesnt chuck it...

 

[Neil Pickup]

Says the guy who has been telling me for a long long time why Murali doesnt chuck it...

Answer the point at hand.

 

[Langeveldt]

Answer the point at hand.

I dont get you...
He doesnt chuck.. then everyone chucks??
I suspect the most confused guy in all this is Murali himself..

 

[Deja moo]

The point here is whether the forearm flexes while delivering after the hyperextension has occured.

As I see it, the bowler may hyperextend 10-20 degrees or whaterver, but the benefit can be derived only of there occurs flexion from that position while delivering.

 

[age_master]

to summarise, Murali in bowling his Doosra, even when not in a match situation, breaks the limit which was set for him not that long ago. this seems stupid to me, he got given leway and now he is being allowed to push it farther. it sureley must stp somewhere....

 

[luckyeddie]

to summarise, Murali in bowling his Doosra, even when not in a match situation, breaks the limit which was set for him not that long ago. this seems stupid to me, he got given leway and now he is being allowed to push it farther. it sureley must stp somewhere....

The point here is the 'leeway' he was given is far less than a fast bowler. The argument from Sri Lanka (and the testers) goes along the lines of

a. He doesn't get any advantage from it
b. His arm speed is such that he should be judged as a fast bowler

 

[Deja moo]

On what basis does the ICC divide players into slow, medium and fast?
And who decides the leeways for each group?

 

[luckyeddie]

On what basis does the ICC divide players into slow, medium and fast?
And who decides the leeways for each group?

I daresay they look it up on cricinfo