***Official*** Ireland Tri-Nation Series 2017

[Prince EWS]

Munro seems to have been working on his bowling lately (he was opening the bowling late in the domestic season) so I think if it was a situation where NZ just needed to get through a few overs cheaply rather than make a breakthrough, I'd sooner bowl him than Neesham. He's not likely to actually be in the first choice lineup though so it doesn't solve much moving forward into the CT.

In terms of the keeping and opening problems, I think Latham opening and keeping is the best short-term option for the ODI team (from the squad selected, anyway), but I'd probably not do it just because it seemed to mess with his general form so much; his Test abilities are too important to risk spoiling further by continuing with this option. There's no way Ronchi should be opening though so all that's left is sticking him down at #8 and leaving out one of Broom/Neesham/Anderson.

 

[straw man]

Good finishing by Rahim and Mahmadullah - NZ would have thought themselves favourites when those two arrived at the crease.

The exact same weaknesses that have plagued NZ ODI cricket in recent years were front and centre: Batting finishing and death bowling.

Passing 200 in the 38th over with only 3 down you'd expect 300, however a 5-8 of Anderson, Neesham, Santner, Munro is just not very good. Of those, the only one I'm comfortable having ODI batting responsibility is Neesham, and he needs time to set himself before hitting (shouldn't be batting below Anderson). Munro can hurt poor bowling attacks but that's not what we need. Anderson and Santner are imo just not good ODI batsmen.
Prospect for improvement: De Grandhomme is a slightly better bet than those listed, based entirely on a couple of quick 30s down the order against SA. This doesn't sound very impressive, except that it's a better track record of effective finishing against good bowling than literally all of the others above combined have achieved. Overall we are still going to be pretty ****e at this.

I suppose it's not too bad fro the bowlers to fail to defend 71 off the final 11 overs, they just failed to take a wicket which would have made it much harder for Bangladesh. Bennett took a bit of tap. Henry didn't, surprisingly.
Prospect for improvement: Boult is our best and was missing, while Southee/McClenaghan is a minor improvement over Bennett and Henry. Again, still going to be a weakness for us.

I'm also sceptical about Patel opening the bowling in this tournament - seems more a 1991 New Zealand cricket meme than a tactic.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Shame on Bangladesh for winning against second string New Zealand side. They should have lost instead

 

[cnerd123]

Will this win put Bangladesh ahead of SL in the rankings? They (Bangladesh) are a better side.

They are ranked 6th now. Above SL Pak and WI. So good.

 

[Black_Warrior]

^ And that's a pretty fair assessment of their ODI side.

Give them some home ODI series against Australia and New Zealand and they will go further up

 

[Tec15]

Beating New Zealand's A team isn't anything to be proud of. No Williamson, Boult, Southee, They would've lost with a full strength NZ team

Boult's bowling average vs Bangladesh- 31.25.
Southee's bowling average vs Bangladesh- 39.46

Yeah, if these two had played, they'd have surely run through Bangladesh like they have in the past.
Next, some people will say New Zealand were weakened by missing McClenaghan (bowling average vs Bangladesh- 92)

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Tommy Latham, Ross taylor, Corey anderson, ronchi, santner are not B team material.

So this excuse of not giving BD enough credit for the win should stop.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Tommy Latham, Ross taylor, Corey anderson, ronchi, santner are not B team material.

So this excuse of not giving BD enough credit for the win should stop.

Not gonna stop anytime soon. Bangladesh's games are not widely watched or covered. You won't give credit if you just breeze through the final scorecard..or not even that..just come across 'bangladesh beat new zealand'. Bangladesh have already beaten a full strength New Zealand side 4-0 twice now. What is one more win here going to change?

Genuine appreciation and praise comes when you have watched and are genuinely involved in the game. And that is not going to happen for a Bangladesh match until they start playing major series in England, Australia and India and that is not likely to happen anytime soon.

Till then we will have 'which one's Shakib again?'

 

[NZTailender]

Tommy Latham, Ross taylor, Corey anderson, ronchi, santner are not B team material.

So this excuse of not giving BD enough credit for the win should stop.

Doesn't make it a huge victory, though, in the sense that a team with 3 players who have more ODI caps than the other team combined should really put the match away quite easily.

 

[cnerd123]

It's only really a significant victory in terms of the mental blocks this team has when playing games they should win away from home. They've been really confident and sharp at home for 5 years now, but everytime they go abroad they lose to sides they should beat by playing sloppy cricket or, for a lack of a better word, choking.

This was a big win in that regard. Good confidence boost and overcoming some demons

 

[Energetic]

New Zealand play more Cricket than Bangladesh, and that too against high quality sides which Bangladesh doesn't get to. The fact is if New Zealand tours Bangladesh again, they will most likely lose all the matches and that includes the test series.

 

[Pratters]

A win is always a win. Bangladesh will take it.

 

[91Jmay]

Been reading through this thread and amused to see people suggesting certain bowlers will "suit English conditions". England has some of the flattest ODI pitches going around, no bowler suits it.

 

[Howsie]

Tommy Latham, Ross taylor, Corey anderson, ronchi, santner are not B team material.

So this excuse of not giving BD enough credit for the win should stop.

Um, actually Latham, Anderson and Ronchi are. You could easily make arguments that all three of those players shouldn't feature in any full strength NZ team.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Bangladesh, but this NZ squad is ass and we will see that when this tournament starts.

 

[Prince EWS]

Been reading through this thread and amused to see people suggesting certain bowlers will "suit English conditions". England has some of the flattest ODI pitches going around, no bowler suits it.

Yeah swing bowlers get a bit more help in the first few overs than in most other places, but after that it's full on placid roads. If the idea is to bowl medium pace seamers in the middle overs because you think it's going to go sideways off the deck then you're going to have a very bad time.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

New Zealand play more Cricket than Bangladesh, and that too against high quality sides which Bangladesh doesn't get to. The fact is if New Zealand tours Bangladesh again, they will most likely lose all the matches and that includes the test series.

Energetic's triumphant return to cw, yesss!!!

 

[91Jmay]

Yeah swing bowlers get a bit more help in the first few overs than in most other places, but after that it's full on placid roads. If the idea is to bowl medium pace seamers in the middle overs because you think it's going to go sideways off the deck then you're going to have a very bad time.

Yeah, pick your best bowlers (which could well be CDG, not disputing that at all) and stack your team with batsmen - especially down the order who can hit the ball hard. So CDG would be a good choice.

 

[Raghav]

Is n't this over?