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High time ICC have a check on the umpires
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Lions81
U19 Cricketer
No, that's not the problem. The problem, as you yourself have admitted, is that umpires are only human and will make mistakes. Surgeons are human, so if someone dies on the operating table, should we sit back, kick our heels up, and shrug our shoulders at the fallibility of human nature? No. (I apologize for the serious analogy, in no way can umpiring be compared to surgery, but I think it helps me make my point.) The problem is that umpires can make mistakes, we have the technology to help correct or prevent those mistakes, and yet we do not allow the umpires to utilize them. Why should a player be given out when he is not? Because a player fifty years ago would have been given out similarly? Absurd. Then let's not let players work out or take supplements, because they didn't have them back then either.marc71178 said:
ReallyCrazy
Banned
I think the problem stems from the fact that these umpires are worked too heavily. They seem to be touring even more than the players. I saw bucknor in australia, then in Sri Lanka, back in Australia, then in Pakistan. It is just too much. The guy is getting on with age and he is tired. He will obviously make mistakes.
Eyes_Only
International Debutant
For what? I am an Umpire and I don't want the game slowed down any more than it has to be by referals to the Third Ump!!Proud Indian said:
I have worked very hard to become an Ump and don't want my skills to be wasted by the over-use of the Third Ump...The only thing I want to use it for if and when I'm good enough to officiate in games where it can be used are for run-outs!
But a correct decision is preferable to slowing down. We can arrange a time-frame for say "did he nick it" or "pitch in line" that IF the umpire has doubts.Eyes_Only said:
Technology is available, we should use it. Afterall, umpires are human and they can make mistakes but that mistake can cause a team to loose games, series.
Recent eg., Inzamam in 1st test, would have taken 2-3 minutes. And if 3rd umpire wan't sure, benefit of doubt should have gone to the batsmen
Eyes_Only
International Debutant
AgreedSehwag309 said:
The techonology isn't 100% fool-proof. Wrong decisions are still given while using techonolgy. Until the technology is 100% reliable, there will always be mistakes.
Too much time is wasted in a day's play as it is. Why do we have to slow it down even further but over-using the technology??
That's the way it has always and will always be....
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Lions81
U19 Cricketer
Yes, the technology's not 100%. But it's somewhere closer to it than the human umpire. With all due respect to you, I am certain you do your job with the utmost care and skill, but you are a human being! You can't do what machines can do! Anything which can improve the accuracy of calls should be implemented unless it's amazingly unwieldy or hurts the game, and I don't see how allowing hawkeye or something similar to be used would be that bad.Eyes_Only said:
Time: If it's a question of do it right or do it quick, I say do it right. I don't think any real cricket fan will mind a test match starting 30 mins early and ending 30 mins later if it means their batsmen won't be out lbw to balls that are inside edged or their bowlers won't have to take fifteen wickets to end one innings.
Eyes_Only
International Debutant
You are exactly right...I am human and I do make mistakes. While I try my darndest not to, they happen. I love umpiring and part of the charm of the game of cricket for me has always been the "Human Element"....
I know many umpires who don't feel the way you do, (Simon Taufel to name one) but I think I'll agree to disagree on this one!!
I know many umpires who don't feel the way you do, (Simon Taufel to name one) but I think I'll agree to disagree on this one!!
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Craig
World Traveller
To me I dont like when an umpire takes an age to give a batsman out. If an umpire see's it, he/she shouldnt have to think about it and give them out, if you see it give them out.
That's how I work. If I dont give them out straight away then they are not out.
I also dont like when umpires change their minds (ok say a six signalled four that is different) or make decisions to suit the other team.
I also believe that an umpire should give an explaination if they made a decision.
This is how I umpire. This applies to indoor cricket though, but it isnt as easy as what you think when you have to umpire, work the score sheet, the score board and get two 7-ball 16 over innings for each side inside 75 minutes (5 min over isnt too bad) and have to concrate on getting it all correct.
And yes I have been told to get glasses. I could have told him to **** off but didnt.
That's how I work. If I dont give them out straight away then they are not out.
I also dont like when umpires change their minds (ok say a six signalled four that is different) or make decisions to suit the other team.
I also believe that an umpire should give an explaination if they made a decision.
This is how I umpire. This applies to indoor cricket though, but it isnt as easy as what you think when you have to umpire, work the score sheet, the score board and get two 7-ball 16 over innings for each side inside 75 minutes (5 min over isnt too bad) and have to concrate on getting it all correct.
And yes I have been told to get glasses. I could have told him to **** off but didnt.
V Reddy
International Debutant
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Re: Re: High time ICC have a check on the umpires
Gayle was also unfortunate.
A fair few. For three, Ganga was out in each innings of the last Test and given not out, then he was given out to a horrible decision in the first innings.marc71178 said:
Gayle was also unfortunate.
Shane Warne
Banned
Daryl Harper is an awful umpire.
biased indian
International Coach
Re: Re: High time ICC have a check on the umpires
inzamam,youhan where at the receving end at multan and both of them benifitted at lahore
please read all of the post u r missing some partsmarc71178 said:
inzamam,youhan where at the receving end at multan and both of them benifitted at lahore
biased indian
International Coach
the following is from cricinfo wisden site
The only jarring part of the day came at the start of the Indian innings, when the course of play was altered not by the players of either side, but by the incompetence of an umpire. Steve Bucknor was appalling during India's tour of Australia, and consistently so, through first the Tests and then the one-dayers. I had argued then that Bucknor's powers seem to have diminished with age – for umpiring relies on physical faculties that only get worse as the years go by – and that umpires should be regularly tested by the ICC to see if their abilities are still intact.
It is scandolous that despite the Indian team's complaints about him, based on an entire series and not a handful of stray understandable mistakes, the ICC has taken no action on this matter. John Wright, India's coach, reportedly complained to the match referee yesterday about the poor umpiring, and Bucknor gave India more reason for anguish today. After not upholding a number of good appeals during Pakistan's innings, he gave Aakash Chopra out lbw, after Chopra had inside-edged the ball. Given that Rahul Dravid was out immediately afterwards, run out without facing a ball, Bucknor's mistake had a huge impact on the game. It is unfair to Bucknor that his legacy as an umpire should be tarnished by his performance when he is clearly past the peak of his powers, and it is unfair on the players as well. (It is also unfair that he should be judged by technology that is available to everyone but him.
The only jarring part of the day came at the start of the Indian innings, when the course of play was altered not by the players of either side, but by the incompetence of an umpire. Steve Bucknor was appalling during India's tour of Australia, and consistently so, through first the Tests and then the one-dayers. I had argued then that Bucknor's powers seem to have diminished with age – for umpiring relies on physical faculties that only get worse as the years go by – and that umpires should be regularly tested by the ICC to see if their abilities are still intact.
It is scandolous that despite the Indian team's complaints about him, based on an entire series and not a handful of stray understandable mistakes, the ICC has taken no action on this matter. John Wright, India's coach, reportedly complained to the match referee yesterday about the poor umpiring, and Bucknor gave India more reason for anguish today. After not upholding a number of good appeals during Pakistan's innings, he gave Aakash Chopra out lbw, after Chopra had inside-edged the ball. Given that Rahul Dravid was out immediately afterwards, run out without facing a ball, Bucknor's mistake had a huge impact on the game. It is unfair to Bucknor that his legacy as an umpire should be tarnished by his performance when he is clearly past the peak of his powers, and it is unfair on the players as well. (It is also unfair that he should be judged by technology that is available to everyone but him.