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Over rated Vettori?
- Thread starter Deja moo
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badgerhair
U19 Vice-Captain
Are you suggesting he's "very good", then?marc71178 said:
Cheers,
Mike
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Ah, semantics.marc71178 said:
Not 'very good' or 'not very good'?
The misplaced quote changes everything.
Langeveldt
Soutie
As have a lot of finger spinners...Tim said:
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
This one's shaping up to be the most pedantic argument ever...luckyeddie said:
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Positively flammable.Neil Pickup said:
Or should that be inflammable?
But 'in' means 'non', yet on the back of lorries you often used to see 'highly inflammable', meaning 'highly non-flammable', which would be the same as 'lowly non-non-un-in-flammable'
You causing trouble.... PAL?
Langeveldt
Soutie
Not this again!luckyeddie said:
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Going to become a cliche, I can tell.Langeveldt said:Not this again!
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
Billy didn't do anything to his action. At first, Vettori took offence at his comments, but later on just took it as advice.
Billy is an excellent technical coach, which I can vouch for, having attended his trainings for a number of years when I was a teenager. I was batting once, and as I am a leg spinner, he thought he would bowl one down to me. His leg break pitched off the marked artificial pitch on the legside, so I thought it would be workable, but it ended up going past my bat about one foot outside off stump.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
More than his action it is his grip that is a big problem. He holds the ball in his index finger, thumb and middle finger and all the work on the ball is expected to come from one finger, the index finger. This is amazing. He can never do much else than gently throw the ball in the air with a few slow revolutions on it.
You can not expect to get a good enough loop, dip in flight, on the ball and any batsman who is willing to come to the pitch is going to slaughter him. Any batsman willing to wait for the ball to pitch , even if slightly short pitched, can pick him off due to the lack of grip off the surface.
With this grip. Vettori can never be a penetrative spinner except on badly deteriorated surfaces or against batsmen who have no clue how to play anything flighted.
You can not expect to get a good enough loop, dip in flight, on the ball and any batsman who is willing to come to the pitch is going to slaughter him. Any batsman willing to wait for the ball to pitch , even if slightly short pitched, can pick him off due to the lack of grip off the surface.
With this grip. Vettori can never be a penetrative spinner except on badly deteriorated surfaces or against batsmen who have no clue how to play anything flighted.
chris.hinton
International Captain
You will find that Vettori is a Far better bowler then Ashley Giles
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
And far, far, far, far better than Gareth Batty.chris.hinton said:
(who sucks)
That's what it's about isn't it? Midlands rivalry?
badgerhair
U19 Vice-Captain
How?chris.hinton said:
I can't think there'd be many who'd deny that Vettori *was* a far better bowler than Giles 3-4 years ago.
What evidence is there for that still being the case today?
Just as Ian Botham was the best bowler in the world in 1979 (of those still playing official Test cricket at the time, that is), but was nothing like the same bowler 3-4 years later after he'd had to change his action following his back trouble.
(Which is why all this talk of how things will be so much better when Vettori rediscovers how to bowl well is so misguided. It's unlikely that Vettori will get significantly better than he is right now, so the question is how best to use his more limited abilities.)
Cheers,
Mike
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
No.Craig said:
The midlands is an area divided by the wasteland that is Staffordshire, but I'd rather not talk about it.
badgerhair said:
ok so if this is so, that because of his grip he's not going to get any better, then IMO he should become an ODI 'specialist' - his average is about the same as Giles with the ball, and we know his batting has improved since the tour to IND.............
spin bowling isn't such as attacking weapon in ODIs because of the type of wickets used - IMO it's as much a situation of taking the pace off the ball.......
whereas in Tests there is a lot more dependancy placed upon the need for prolonged periods of good spin bowling as a genuine wicket taking option, & not just to tie down an end or try to restrict runs etc........
so perhaps Vettori for ODIs & B Martin for Tests????? - the squad selection for the tour to BAN should be interesting - I'm picking that there will be Vettori & 1 other spin bowler taken.............if the spin alternative out performs Vettori it could end up being his last Test series for a while.......