NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Oram better with the ball, Watson better with the bat.
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Jacob Oram v Shane Watson
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Bahnz
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Urgh, please don't remind me of that game. Managing to lose after having SA effectively 22/4 in their second innings. Good damn you AB. Good damn you Steyn.
Zinzan
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From top 5, to opening or number 3 to be exact. .
Burgey
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Always rated Oram tbh. It's a good comparision thread, this. Much more appropriate than Shakib vs ATG all rounders.
Would go Watson, just, and mainly because I'm sort of compensating for the fact that he's so maligned I reckon he gets a rough go. Oram was probably a better bowler but Watson a better batsman who performed decently in the top order for a time.
Would go Watson, just, and mainly because I'm sort of compensating for the fact that he's so maligned I reckon he gets a rough go. Oram was probably a better bowler but Watson a better batsman who performed decently in the top order for a time.
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And Kyle Mills inexplicably batting at 3 in the chase.
Zinzan
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Lol trust you to bring the Shakib thing here, but I do tend to agree on that one
OverratedSanity
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Haha how did that happen? Not a nightwatchman?
Zinzan
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Yeah, I thought that was going to be a historic moment & that second innings just kept going and going. Even still I expected us to get close to 249, but I think we were done mentally by the time the SA 2nd dig was over.
How often in that era were we ahead of opposition 60-80% into a match, only to drop our bundles?
Bahnz
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If Flem wanted to do the Bradman thing he should've fully committed and opened with Mills and Marto, with Franklin coming out at number 3. Turned what could've been an atg lol moment into a mere facepalm.
Zinzan
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A Brainy-Bracewell theory. Nothing to do with being nightwatchman from memory.
Bahnz
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If you look at innings 2 and 3, the top order got skittled before the middle order found things easy going against the older ball. Mills batting at 3 was part of a hilariously I'll judged attempt to protect the real batsmen while things were still difficult.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Watson IMO with both bat and ball. Oram definitely a more "unique" bowler who had a great ability to dry up runs due to his awkward angles but reckon Watson more of an actual weapon. Would've had a much better record with the ball if he played in NZ. Batting so close with Oram probably being able to play the odd blinder but he always gave the vibe that he was a bit unco and runs were difficult. ...sorta similar to Watson there.
Zinzan
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Lol It wasn't the first or last of Bracewell's crazy theories. Jeez he frustrated me that guy.
Bahnz
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I guess that's part born out by the fact that Watto has a better strike rate. Not sure about Watson having a better record in NZ though. Wouldn't have gotten any reverse out of the emerald green outfields typical of the time. I notice he didn't take a wicket in his one NZ test, not that you can read too much into that.
But Oram could definitely be dangerous in tests. Remember a particularly marvelous spell against England at the Basin where he bowled in a manner that can only be described as Mcgrath-esque. Induced about 20 or 30 plays and misses and it remains a mystery to me how he only finished with 3 wickets and not 6 or 7.
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Athlai
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Yeah I was actually at that game.
Zinzan
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Yeah I don't buy that Watto would have been much better a Test bowler had he played for NZ either.
Shri
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Shane Bond and Shane Watson at the same time would have been a nightmare for you guys and hilarious for us with the injuries.
Zinzan
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Oi wash your mouth out using Watto and Bond in the same sentence.Shane Bond and Shane Watson at the same time would have been a nightmare for you guys and hilarious for us with the injuries.
Shady Slim
International Coach
watto's bowling is criminally underrated imo
it's close though i'll go shane by a size twelve plonked down the pitch
it's close though i'll go shane by a size twelve plonked down the pitch
dontcloseyoureyes
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His first few Shield seasons for Tasmania he used to push 150 at times. He was such an amazing prospect as a youngster, his injuries really curtailed him as a bowler and his own mind ruined him as a batsman in test cricket.
Look at this ffs. 11 in a match with some serious scalps as a 20 year old. Those first two seasons of Shield he was bowled into the ground. Bowled first change, regularly bowled 20+ overs an innings while batting at 4. His third year in 03/04 were when his injuries really started to hurt him. I think he had real back issues that year and ended up playing as a specialist batsman at 3 while not bowling at all. That's when his batting really took off, made 150+ against a monstrous NSW attack (something like Lee, Clark, Bracken, Nash?) and a couple of other hundreds that year.