Howsie
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I hope you give him a pass from all the times he's gotten out playing attacking cricket shots in the last 10 overs then if you're not willing to give him his not outs. Can't work both ways
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***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2017
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Zinzan
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Couldn't care less whether he's not out or not tbh, just pointing out it inflates his average. Just think in 2017 you want your number 7 scoring in excess of a 100 SR, less than a run a ball just doesn't cut it & plays into the oppositions hands.
CDG averages 33 with a SR of 109 in comparison (admittedly a little flattering itself with some Bangers bashing).
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What Jeets does at county cricket level is kind of irrelevant considering he got his Test comeback chance in India on wickets that provided assistance, and was merely 'ordinary', taking 6 wickets in 2 tests @ an average of 50.
I do think his experience in those conditions is important for the upcoming champions trophy tournament, but can we stop this myth that Patel's this new genuine threat in Tests & bowling in general on the back of some good seasons for Warwickshire, when frankly he looked pretty much the same Test bowler as he did 5 years ago in that latest display in India.
It's funny that you rightly spot the gap between FC and Test level when it comes to players like Munro, but you think it's so different when it comes to Patel and county cricket.
While there's some good players on the county circuit, overall the level of cricket isn't all that much better than NZ domestic level, simply because there's far too many teams, diluting the good talent that is around.
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Howsie
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He wouldn't be too far away I'd say. Let's just hope whoever signs him up juices their pitches up like Warks do for Patel.
straw man
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I'm still going with 'never ever again' for Guptill as a test opener, but would consider him for the number 5 spot, especially as he's in such good form. There's Broom, Brownlie, Munro, Nicholls all hanging around and it's hard to make a case that any of those are more likely to score runs than Guptill. So then it depends if you want to give someone younger like Bruce a chance first.
Kippax
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If anyone's a bit of a hometown hero at this stage on the List A bowling figures front, it's Sodhi, I'd have thought.
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Bahnz
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Really don't see the point in that. It's Guptill, he'll flippin' murder them. Really either Hesson thinks Guptill could make it as a 5, or he doesn't. I think there's very little to be learned from him going back to the Plunket Shield.
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Yeppers, dude carves it up opening at Plunket level, does McHesson think number 4-5 will be tougher?
Likely a PR thing to appease those claiming Gup gets more chances than others. Might as well just be honest and say they're backing his extraordinary ability to 'see ball - hit ball' facing international bowlers.
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Neil Young
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This. Hesson is starting to get on my nerves.
Mike5181
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I think they've been focusing on giving guys a proper run in the side. And that's great... to a point. But in the last two or so years they've definitely gone too far at times.
A problem selectors seem to have is when a player is dropped that becomes a black mark against their record as a selector because they picked him in the first place or they persisted with him for too long. Ronchi's averaged 10 in the last two years, and we lose nothing if we go elsewhere, but he'll never be able to vindicate their decision to continually select him if he's dropped. So they pick him again. Just one more game, or one more series. To the point where it's like, yeah, there's no way you still think this is the best guy for the job.
Similarly, Henry 'averages 32 for Canterbury' Nicholls should have been dropped before the Bangladesh series. But now you can't justifiably do so because, despite there being better options available (Munro, Guptill, Bruce), he went and scored runs against them.
A problem selectors seem to have is when a player is dropped that becomes a black mark against their record as a selector because they picked him in the first place or they persisted with him for too long. Ronchi's averaged 10 in the last two years, and we lose nothing if we go elsewhere, but he'll never be able to vindicate their decision to continually select him if he's dropped. So they pick him again. Just one more game, or one more series. To the point where it's like, yeah, there's no way you still think this is the best guy for the job.
Similarly, Henry 'averages 32 for Canterbury' Nicholls should have been dropped before the Bangladesh series. But now you can't justifiably do so because, despite there being better options available (Munro, Guptill, Bruce), he went and scored runs against them.
I'm still expecting South Africa to win this series. They are one of the few sides that has that x factor about them. New Zealand will be up for it. It could still go either way though. It has been a great series. The test series looks far more interesting since South Africa's pace attack looks lethal. Amla just hasn't been the same anymore. He was so classy up and till that triple 100 he scored in England. New Zealand have become a formidable side. Have improved leaps and bounds under their coach. I remember New Zealand always sitting in the lower end of the ranking table just above the West Indies in all forms, and now they are ranked one of the highest in World Cricket. They have been an inspiration. Not only that, but they do not have the spinner that can be considered of world class quality, yet they can now win a lot of games even in Asia.
The wicketkeeping thing is an absolute debacle and needs to be clarified ASAP. Going back to a 35 year old time after time when he averages 10 since his last meaningful contribution pre World Cup two years ago, is pretty diabolical. Fair enough they tried Latham and failed, I have no issue with that - a lot of us were comfortable with that. But if it's not Tom's time, it's the other Tom's time - seeing they picked Blundell for the CH. Holding onto Ronchi on the basis he might provide some level of experience for the Champions Trophy, I mean that's all it can be. We're going to hold up the development of our next keeper for some pseudo big tournament, even though the incumbent now is old, absolutely of no use with the bat and has no proven history of doing anything in big tournaments.
straw man
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Also makes me wonder if, like Howsie, they quietly don't really rate Blundell that highly and are hoping one of Phillips or Seifert does enough to leapfrog him.
IMO we'd be hard pressed to get a lower output from Blundell right now than Ronchi anyway*, so should just give Blundell a chance and if someone else overtakes him later, fine.
* though I do prefer Ronchi at 5 to Ronchi at 7, slightly.
straw man
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Test squad:
Kane Williamson (c), Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Jeetan Patel, Tom Latham, Jimmy Neesham, Henry Nicholls, Jeet Raval, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling
Neesham and Jeets back. Nicholls and CDG retained. Brownlie and Henry miss out.
Kane Williamson (c), Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Jeetan Patel, Tom Latham, Jimmy Neesham, Henry Nicholls, Jeet Raval, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling
Neesham and Jeets back. Nicholls and CDG retained. Brownlie and Henry miss out.