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***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2017

Marius

International Debutant
I don`t think Elgar wants the responsibility.... Markram`s off-spin looked not to bad, but not sure its international quality (at least yet).

But seriously is this a concern? Duminy is meant to be a top 6 batsmen, not an allrouder, it just gave us a few options but overall he has been poor. If we want an allrounder then QDK bats at 6 and we bring in Parnell/Morris at 7.... don`t like that idea, but they would contribute just as much with the bat as Duminy.

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Purely statistically Cook has regressed since his 100 at the beginning and in all honestly should be the first out the door. Duminy and Bavuma next. Bavuma however has showed some decent mental attitude and Duminy has been given enough opportunities. And Amla a big worry.

I think the county stints and the SA `A` team tour may make the decisions for the selectors. Think Markram, deBruyn, Zonda, Duminy and Bavuma should be selected for SA`A` side.
I still think Cook should get a go against England.

I do have a soft spot for him I guess, he's a Lion and it was amazing telling my friend 'I told you so' after Cook's debut hundred, after we'd argued about whether he should be in the side.

:laugh:

JP and Bra T have been given a lot of rope, Cook should be given that much too. And he's been contracted this year, I really don't see the selectors putting him on the scrapheap just yet.

But I think he's got, maybe, two years left. Then we must look to Markram etc.
 

CapeTown Guy

School Boy/Girl Captain
Yes of course, Duminy is the team as a batsman, but the best teams always have a decent fifth bowler - whether its a class act like Kallis or part-timer like Duminy. If you play 6 batsmen, a keeper and 4 bowlers - like most teams do - you simply arent as versatile a side as the one with the other bowling options.

Bowlers get injured mid-match, and some innings go on for long enough that you need another bowler to turn his arm over for a few overs.

I'm not talking about an all-rounder in the Morris mold, or Parnell - bits n pieces players. A top order batsman who is the 5th bowler. Every team needs one, The only team in recent memory who didn't have the 5th bowler was the great Australian side post-Waugh, pre-Symonds. But they could get away with it since their 4 bowlers were just so damn good a 5th one was never necessary. And even they could call on Michael Clarke from time to time. Clark bowled them to victory with a 6-for against India, and another time with 3 wickets in the final overs of a Test. Every team needs that sort of player.

On Cook - he will get the England series and that's gonna be that for him I feel. He jsut aint that that good mate. Even domestically over the years,the majority of his FC runs have come on the Highveld and away from Jhb/Pta his FC record is very average.

Perhaps this topic is more for the SA team selection thread tho.
 
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Marius

International Debutant
On Cook - he will get the England series and that's gonna be that for him I feel. He jsut aint that that good mate. Even domestically over the years,the majority of his FC runs have come on the Highveld and away from Jhb/Pta his FC record is very average.
I will cut you.

:@
 

Bahseph

State Captain
I wouldn't go so far as to call Morris a bits and pieces player. Morris could be a Test quality bowling allrounder if given a lengthy run in the team. It's just that bowling wise he is behind Rabada, Steyn , Philander, Morkel and probably Olivier.
 

CapeTown Guy

School Boy/Girl Captain
@Marius - sorry mate, those are the facts re Cook. He is just too suspect defensively and he will get eaten up in England I think.

@Bahseph - perhaps I am slightly harsh on calling them bits and pieces players, and I do think Morris could be good Test match number 7 if the top order is solid enough, as well as being the 4th seamer.
 

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
If anyone other than Scaly had made that point it wouldn't have been panned as hard tbh. I'm not saying I agree with him, but NZ morning session wasn't exactly taking game by scruff of neck. Obviously had no real impact on the outcome though.
in hindsight the way we batted in the morning was actually the best thing we could have done. Minimised the chance of a collapse and comprehensively ground sa out of the game so when they eventually came out to bat later in the day they were clearly fatigued and unfocused. It's easy to say we should've scored quicker, but given how fragile our middle-lower order is that would've more likely just let sa back into the game.
 

Zinzan

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One positive that's come out of this tour from my POV is all the South African CW supporters coming out of the woodwork. Previously in SA tour threads, we''re lucky to see 3 SAfricans, suddenly we're seeing 6-7 posting regularly.

Good stuff.
 

Zinzan

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Combined XI

1. D Elgar
2. J Raval
3. K Williamson
4. F du Plessis
5. H Nicholls
6. T Bavuma
7. Q de Kock+
8. C de Grandhomme
9. N Wagner
10. M Morkel
11. KA Maharaj
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Hard to argue too much with that, Boult was impressive in the 1st Test, but CDG probably deserves to be there. Who'd have thought he'd outbowl but Rabada and Philander before the tour.
 

Zinzan

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Firdose Moonda's NZ ratings ... Kane Williamson and Jeet Raval top of the class for New Zealand | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

9
Kane Williamson
Three matches, 309 runs at 77.25, two hundreds
The top run-scorer and the only one to score more than one hundred, Kane Williamson capped off his first season as captain with a typically fine showing with the bat. He led from the front with two classy centuries, which deserved more than the draws they were part of. In Dunedin, Williamson's knock ensured New Zealand did not have cause to panic after Ross Taylor retired hurt and helped set them up to take a slender lead. In Hamilton, his 170 allowed him to equal Martin Crowe's 17 Test centuries and become the youngest New Zealand player to 5,000 Test runs. His Hamilton hundred was chanceless and dominant, he paced the innings perfectly and set his team up to push for victory. Although he cannot find himself on the winning side of a coin toss and his DRS skills need work, as a leader Williamson shows great promise.

8
Jeet Raval
Three matches, 256 runs at 64.00, three fifties
New Zealand needed someone who could be tighter outside the offstump than Martin Guptill; Jeet Raval has provided that. His solid technique is his greatest asset and it served him well against a South African attack who can exploit even the smallest weaknesses. He scored half-centuries in all three matches - in Dunedin and Wellington after Tom Latham had departed early - and shared in crucial partnerships with Kane Williamson in Dunedin and Hamilton and with Henry Nicholls in Wellington. His 88 was the third-highest score by a New Zealand opener against South Africa and though he will be disappointed he was not able to push on to a maiden century, he completed an impressive Test summer.

7.5
Neil Wagner
Three matches, 12 wickets at 32.08
New Zealand's highest wicket-taker and the series' most successful seamer had to take on the additional responsibility of bowling in an attack without Tim Southee and Trent Boult. Wagner had only played one Test in which both of them had not featured in the XI and that was on debut in 2012, but he accepted the embraced the challenge and led the attack. As expected, Wagner was indefatigable in his use of the short ball but also showed some variation. One of the fuller deliveries he dished out took out Hashim Amla's middle stump in Dunedin. New Zealand have come to depend on him to make things happen and in every match, he delivered.

Colin de Grandhomme
Two matches, six wickets at 24.83, 61 runs at 20.33, one fifty
On the face of it, Colin de Grandhomme should not be very dangerous; he bowls in the late 120s. But he troubled South Africa with the quality of the questions he asked with full deliveries outside the off stump. He got three gifts in the first innings in Wellington, a reward for a disciplined start when asked to open the bowling, and he was kept in the role for Hamilton where he enjoyed more success. His batting was the bonus New Zealand wanted; in Hamilton, he scored his maiden half-century and upped the scoring rate at the right time to put New Zealand in their best position of the series - and edge ahead of Neesham as their premier allrounder.

Matt Henry
One match, five wickets at 22.60
Having waited for an opportunity behind Tim Southee and Trent Boult, Matt Henry took his chance and set the tone with the new ball in Hamilton. He removed two of South Africa's top four early on and showed the same intent in the second innings. Henry was effective with both short and full deliveries, and deepened the collapse when he got rid of Temba Bavuma in the second innings to leave South Africa with just one recognised batsmen left in a bid to stave off defeat.

7
BJ Watling
Three matches, 137 runs at 34.25, one fifty, 10 catches
A man with an appetite for a fight, BJ Watling gives New Zealand lower-order muscle which was most evident in Dunedin. His fifty there and partnership with Kane Williamson allowed New Zealand to take the lead. He also played determined knocks in Wellington and Hamilton. He often runs out of support, though, and there are continued calls for him to bat higher up, which would be difficult given his wicketkeeping responsibilities.

6
Henry Nicholls
Three matches, 137 runs at 34.25, one hundred
With pressure over his place at No. 5 growing, Henry Nicholls came into this series needing runs to prove himself and he got them in Wellington. His hundred came a time New Zealand needed it most - they were 101 for 5 and without Ross Taylor in the first innings - and allowed them to mount a challenge. He did not have any other scores of significance and was twice out in single figures, which makes consistency his next challenge.

Jeetan Patel
Three matches, seven wickets at 38.00
An unexpected pick, Jeetan Patel's comeback was prompted by New Zealand's decision to play on slower surfaces to negate South Africa's quicks - that necessitated two specialist spinners in Dunedin and Hamilton. Initially, he operated as Quinton de Kock's nemesis and dismissed him twice in the first Test after also getting rid of him in the fourth and fifth ODI, but de Kock did not remain his bunny for too long. Patel continued to trouble South Africa's batsmen though. More crucially for him, he emerged as New Zealand's first-choice spinner, edging out Mitchell Santner in Wellington.

Trent Boult
One match, five wickets at 19.60
Trent Boult did the damage early and later on in South Africa's first innings in Dunedin. He got rid of Stephen Cook and then took three wickets with the old ball when he found substantial movement. He was particularly impressive in keeping run-scoring to a minimum with more than a third of his overs being maidens. Boult picked up a groin injury in the second innings, which ruled him out of the rest of series.

5
Tom Latham
Three matches, 74 runs at 18.50, one fifty
After a poor start to the series with 24 runs from his first three innings,Tom Latham returned to form with fifty in Hamilton, where he batted with more patience and composure than he had in the previous two matches. Latham's runs came on the back of an improved performance in the field, where he took a blinder at short leg to dismiss Faf du Plessis on the paddle sweep to redeem himself after a slip-catch clanger in Dunedin. Latham still has work do against the moving ball but can be pleased with his season's work.

Mitchell Santner
Two matches, two wickets at 50.00, 45 runs at 22.50
He was outperformed in Dunedin by Jeetan Patel and then left out of the Wellington Test but Mitchell Santner came back fairly strongly in Hamilton. The three and a quarter hours he spent at the crease only yielded 41 runs but came at a crucial time for New Zealand. Kane Williamson was holding court and needed support, which Santner provided, to build the lead. His credentials as an allrounder are growing, though he would have wanted a few more wickets to his name.

4
Tim Southee
One match, three wickets at 38.33
Left out in Dunedin to accommodate two specialist spinners, Tim Southee may have gone to Wellington itching to prove his worth but he only picked up three wickets. He picked up the bulk of the workload in the first innings and proved threatening upfront but did not get the rewards he would have been after. A hamstring injury kept him out of the Hamilton match.

3
Neil Broom
Two matches, 32 runs at 10.66
Called up because of his experience in first-class cricket, Neil Broom was tasked with batting in Ross Taylor's No. 4 spot and did not have an easy time of it. He was on the receiving end of two fantastic deliveries in Wellington and then shouldered arms to Kagiso Rabada in Hamilton to end the series with not much to show and questions over whether he has a future as a Test cricketer.

2
James Neesham
Two matches, 26 runs at 8.66, two wickets at 61.50
Picked as the allrounder in Dunedin ahead of Colin de Grandhomme, James Neesham only bowled 13 overs in the match and was dismissed for seven. He returned for Wellington but failed to contribute as much as New Zealand would have wanted and was dropped for Hamilton. Neesham needed to hold the middle-order together better and present more threat with the ball but failed to do both.

Unmarked
Ross Taylor
One match, 15 runs
Ross Taylor tore his calf early in his Dunedin innings and had to retire hurt before he could do any real damage - to himself or South Africa. He returned to bat with the tail to help New Zealand edge ahead but could not take any further part in the series.
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Jeetan probably about a 4 in reality, though who knows what would've happened on that final day. Could've actually been his day to win us a Test at long last.
 

Marius

International Debutant
I've been trying to keep a record, and if I've worked it out correctly, we're four non-white players ahead of the quota. So that means we could have four matches with six white players before we fall behind.
Just updated my info - this is from the ODI against Ireland up until this last Test match.

RACE WATCH AS ORDERED BY OBERFUHRER FIKILE MBALULA

Average black players per game: 2.1 (most 4, least one)
Average coloured players per game: 2.2 (most 4, least 1)
Average Indian players per game (assuming Tahir counts as an Indian for these purposes): 1.8 (most 3, least 0)
Average white players per game: 4.9 (most 6, least 3)

Average POCs overall in the season: 6.1.
 
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hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
gawd it's so weird to divide people up like that. probably we shouldn't go into the quota debate here but sheesh
 

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