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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    To be fair Handscomb and Marsh really haven't made that many more runs than Warner. Marsh has made 146 for example to Warner's 131 in the same number of innings. Average of 24 vs 21. That doesn't tell the full story because Marsh has played two innings that are better than anything Warner has and I think it's reasonable to expect openers to score the bulk of the runs in India, but Warner has made a lot of starts, and was a decent contributor in Pune with that opening stand that set the tone for the series. He's had a bad series but I don't think he's in any danger of being dropped and it is possible to overstate his failures. It hasn't been on the level of Kohli's series, or Ponting in 2001 or anything. And there's no reason to categorise Warner's performance as drop-worthy but Marsh's as a good series worthy of praise.

    Warner's subcontinent failures are a problem for sure and he does need overseas runs, but he's such a monumental asset in more friendly conditions that I think by the next time a tour to a place he's likely to struggle rolls around (when even is that? 2019 ashes? He's not even that bad in England, and I don't think there's a winter away tour next year) he'll have made more runs and cemented his spot in the team again. I'm not sure when the next time he's even like to play on slow, turning wickets is. Australia have toured Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka and the West Indies all fairly recently.
    Darsh to open, Warner to four.....

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    What's Warner going to do at 4 lol. He's better off opening, at least he can slap around the quicks for a bit.

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    Ask yourself what Darsh might do as opener though.......

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    He's played two solid knocks at 4, I'd keep him there tbh
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    Marsh got runs opening in SL didn't he? No reason to think he can't do the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Since 05, all of the Ashes have been a thrashing one way or the other. Even if they have been entertaining. I'm glad I got to see Johnson terrifying English batsmen like that (before the events of '14).
    heh? 2009 was pretty close. Australia were actually the better team but couldn't grab the "big moments". 2013 was closer than a scoreline of 3-0 suggests, there was only one thrashing that series (I think) and the 2 draws (rain affected?) happened to be when Australia played better. 2015 had a scoreline of 3-2, which while not numerically a "thrashing" was probably the most one-sided of all the English ashes series since 2005, counter-intuitive though it may seem.

    All the Australian ashes have clearly been one-sided though. Two 5-0s and the 3-1 to England in 2010/11 pretty hard to argue against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    heh? 2009 was pretty close. Australia were actually the better team but couldn't grab the "big moments". 2013 was closer than a scoreline of 3-0 suggests, there was only one thrashing that series (I think) and the 2 draws (rain affected?) happened to be when Australia played better. 2015 had a scoreline of 3-2, which while not numerically a "thrashing" was probably the most one-sided of all the English ashes series since 2005, counter-intuitive though it may seem.

    All the Australian ashes have clearly been one-sided though. Two 5-0s and the 3-1 to England in 2010/11 pretty hard to argue against.
    Hmm, did Australia really play better at Edgbaston in 2009? I think England were in control of most of that match, though in the end it was a very comfortable draw.
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    The last good Ashes was 2009, albeit the umpiring was dreadful. 2005 was an absolute masterpiece and up there with the first Worrell Trophy of the early '60s as one of the greatest test series of all time. The rest of the recent Ashes have all been too one-sided to be great series although they all have their nationalistic appeal if that is what you enjoy masturbating to (e.g. 2010/11 for Englishmen, the two whitewashes for Aussies). This series in India is up there. I probably wouldn't rank it up there with the '05 Ashes but it is not far behind.

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    I think 2009 was actually the worst series of the last few in terms of the quality of cricket, both teams played some fairly awful cricket and Australia just happened to be more rubbish at the wrong moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Hmm, did Australia really play better at Edgbaston in 2009? I think England were in control of most of that match, though in the end it was a very comfortable draw.
    no idea. They certainly did in the first Test in Cardiff though. Were one wicket away from an innings victory.

    The other weird thing about this last Test is that it's possibly the first time in my life (that I can recall at least) where a Draw has been a positive result for Aus. In every other Test match draw Australia has played in, from what I remember, has been a failure because Australia were on top and deserved to win. It's a nice change tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I think 2009 was actually the worst series of the last few in terms of the quality of cricket, both teams played some fairly awful cricket and Australia just happened to be more rubbish at the wrong moments.
    2013 was poor. 2015 was poor for batting. At least 2009 had some close edge of the seat moments like Jimmy and Monty''s blockathon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    no idea. They certainly did in the first Test in Cardiff though. Were one wicket away from an innings victory.

    The other weird thing about this last Test is that it's possibly the first time in my life (that I can recall at least) where a Draw has been a positive result for Aus. In every other Test match draw Australia has played in, from what I remember, has been a failure because Australia were on top and deserved to win. It's a nice change tbh.
    People who say it was one of the die hard Test fans are right. I can easily see how people who aren't connoisseurs would be bored.

    But it was a super draw. Mainly because both sides had periods of being on top, but lost the advantage due to the opposition stepping up. Even the last day when only two results were possible still had the drama that great Test cricket can bring because one more wicket after lunch would probably have got India the win. But Marsh and Handscomb stepped up as Pujara and Saha had and as Smith and Maxwell had.

    I hope the next test is a bit spicier than this one, but it was no where near a bad pitch and a result was a serious possibility up until the last hour. Test cricket needs games like this every now and again. Australia certainly did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Debris View Post
    You just posted on a cricket related forum. That pretty much makes you die-hard by definition. I think you had to have at least enough understanding as to why the sides were batting as they were to make this test interesting.

    We have already seen the casual cricket fan posting about how this was a boring draw and that India cost themselves the chance to win by batting so slowly
    Fair enough - maybe there is some die hard in me.

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