6 leg byes

[TNT]

Does the leg bye rule make sense in this situation.

The batsman play a shot off a ball that grazes the pad first and hits a six. The fielding team appeals and the batsman is given out LBW.

The ball hit the pad first so it becomes a leg bye until it then hits the bat which then becomes legitimate shot and scored runs but is given LBW because it struck the pads first.

I understand the laws and why it would be out but technically it does not make sense.

 

[Shady Slim]

the moment the batsman's is given out lbw anything that happened after the ball hit the pad is considered dead ball afaik, so ball on bat going for six would be null

 

[TNT]

the moment the batsman's is given out lbw anything that happened after the ball hit the pad is considered dead ball afaik, so ball on bat going for six would be null

I realise that but it would be a leg bye but becomes a legitimate shot if it then hits the bat, should the same apply to LBW so that it becomes a legitimate shot if it then hits the bat.

 

[Shady Slim]

ah so you're asking if pad then bat should still be considered lbw?

 

[TNT]

ah so you're asking if pad then bat should still be considered lbw?

That's the technical side of it, the ball hits the pad first so its LBW but with the leg bye it changes if it hits the bat after and becomes a legitimate shot. Why not make the rule the same for both i.e. hits the pad first and gets hit for six so it becomes six leg byes.

 

[Zinzan]

ah so you're asking if pad then bat should still be considered lbw?

Yeah, I must admit, I'm wondering what the 6 has to do with anything.

My understanding is if there's an pad-first then bat LBW review where a run was taken, if it's reviewed and it's decided it's not out... the batsman get a run as opposed to being a leg-bye.

In the very unlikely instance it went for 6, it would be the same.

 

[Zinzan]

That's the technical side of it, the ball hits the pad first so its LBW but with the leg bye it changes if it hits the bat after and becomes a legitimate shot. Why not make the rule the same for both i.e. hits the pad first and gets hit for six so it becomes six leg byes.

My understanding may be wrong then, I thought if it's pad first, then bat, it's still given as runs and not leg byes, assuming it's not out of course.

 

[TNT]

You are right, my question is should it be the same for leg byes and LBW's, on LBW's the rule does not make it a legitimate shot if the ball then hits the bat but with leg byes it does.

 

[Bijed]

Do you mean if a batsmen was struck outside the line whilst not playing a shot, it should be considered that they were playing a shot if the ball ricochets off the pad onto their bat?

 

[TNT]

Do you mean if a batsmen was struck outside the line whilst not playing a shot, it should be considered that they were playing a shot if the ball ricochets off the pad onto their bat?

With leg byes it does, If the batsman is struck on the pads whilst not playing a shot and the ball ricochets onto the bat any runs scored will be credited to the batsman.

 

[Bijed]

I see what you're saying, but I don't think that if your pads have just prevented you from being bowled you should get away with it if the ball happens to bounce onto your bat (or glove, I guess) afterwards. Unless you're saying that you think it's the leg-bye side of things which is wrong here, which I can agree with.

I may also be misunderstanding you here, what with it being 10 past 1 in the morning, apologies if this is the case.

 

[TNT]

I see what you're saying, but I don't think that if your pads have just prevented you from being bowled you should get away with it if the ball happens to bounce onto your bat (or glove, I guess) afterwards. Unless you're saying that you think it's the leg-bye side of things which is wrong here, which I can agree with.

I may also be misunderstanding you here, what with it being 10 past 1 in the morning, apologies if this is the case.

I just think its an abnormality for a shot to be declared legitimate depending on whether the ball would have hit the stumps or not.

 

[Bijed]

I agree, but to me it would make more sense that if it was pad first then it's always leg byes even if it hits the bat later, unless of course you're out LBW. No inconsistency and you actually have to hit the ball as part of your shot to get runs against your name, which seems sensible.

 

[GIMH]

Can you even get six byes or am I getting mixed up with wides

 

[TNT]

Can you even get six byes or am I getting mixed up with wides

In theory you could get six bye/leg byes or even more if Inzi had to chase the ball to the boundry.

 

[Shady Slim]

Can you even get six byes or am I getting mixed up with wides

from memory the ball has to hit the bat for a boundary six, you can't get six byes, idk about the leg byes though

 

[TNT]

from memory the ball has to hit the bat for a boundary six, you can't get six byes, idk about the leg byes though

Yes that is correct, law 19,5,c

 

[Red]

Correct. Sixes are only scored off the bat. Byes or leg byes that clear the rope should be called fours.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Correct. Sixes are only scored off the bat. Byes or leg byes that clear the rope should be called fours.

I never knew this. Interesting.

 

[TNT]

from memory the ball has to hit the bat for a boundary six, you can't get six byes, idk about the leg byes though

in theory you could get 6 byes if you ran them all or ran some then over throws and so on.