The ICC News Thread

[Daemon]

Especially that, as it turns out - and the counties only discovered this two weeks ago - that the ECB have been secretly pocketing IPL money for every player who goes there!!

It's never been a secret, a portion of the player's salary has always gone to the home board.

 

[S.Kennedy]

It's never been a secret, a portion of the player's salary has always gone to the home board.

Not this particular portion,

Stewart calls on ECB to redistribute IPL money | Cricbuzz.com

The counties only just found out about these payments in early April this year.

 

[marc71178]

Which of the players from England in the IPL aren't centrally contracted though?

 

[Daemon]

Billings? Mills last season as well.

 

[cnerd123]

Over-reliance on India hampering growth: ICC report - Cricbuzz

I love all the points raised in this, I just don't know if anything will come out of it

 

[S.Kennedy]

Ditching the coin toss apparently?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...ding-coin-toss-discussions-around-launch-new/

 

[Starfighter]

Stupid.

 

[cnerd123]

FWIW, while I agree with the logic of GotSpin's post, I just inherently disagree with the premise.

I don't believe the players owe their national cricket associations anything, or that the national cricket associations have any right to expect anything from them, because these players did not come to the cricket board, ask them for training/infrastructure/resources, and in return sign a contract with them saying they'll pay them back by representing them or playing county cricket or whatever.

A kid has no control where he is born. A kid has no knowledge of the politics that lie ahead of him when he starts playing cricket. Every national cricket board goes out of their way (you would hope) to make the sport accessible, to discover talent, and to coax them to join development and pathway programs. The kids usually dont sit down, evaluate all the sporting programs accessible to them, determine what a future career will look like, and then pick which path to go down on. Most of them just play what they enjoy and what they happen to be good at. Most kids also don't have the option to jump ship to India/England/Australia to develop their cricket career in order to eventually be a professional in those countries instead of where they were born.

The parallel to an organisation training it's employees and expecting a return on investment, or even a private football club recruiting and developing young talent to sign them on exclusive contracts once they mature, just doesn't hold, because these young cricketers have no choice

You play whatever cricket is available to you in the country you are born, and the one day you're suddenly a professional cricketer in your 20s and you see there are more lucrative opportunities out there to further your career and support your family, and then suddenly your local cricket board places an ultimatum on you and is trying to sign you to an exclusive contract and control what cricket you can and cannot play - ultimately, how much you can earn. It's just wrong IMO.

Maybe the future of cricket be franchise driven -just like every other sport- with international matches being a fun novelty on the side...

 

[Daemon]

Over-reliance on India hampering growth: ICC report - Cricbuzz

I love all the points raised in this, I just don't know if anything will come out of it

ICC on the defensive after listing dependence on India under 'weaknesses' - ESPNcricinfo

After the meeting, the ICC was in damage-control mode. "It's listed as potential weakness but I would actually focus on it as a strength," the ICC CEO David Richardson said.

Hahahhaah

 

[Athlai]

Holy ****.

The BCCI is certain that the sentence will be removed from any further discussions.

"If Sachin Tendulkar was the dominant batsman for India, you didn't try to find ways to cut down his scoring," a BCCI official said. "You asked other batsmen to start scoring more."

This is a hilarious analogy, did India keep paying the rest of the team a salary when they weren't scoring as many runs as Sachin?

 

[cnerd123]

Sachin Tendulkar being brought up by the BCCI as an analogy in an ICC meeting

You never hear Steve Waugh being spoken about that way #Pressure

 

[Athlai]

Nah, we should be disgusted at the BCCI trying to make themselves sound reasonable by using the great ones name.

 

[cnerd123]

It just reveals what we already know TBH - the BCCI cares about their control over the game, first and foremost. They're all for spreading the game, growing the pie, as long as it is on their terms. If the sport grows too quickly around the world, and without their involvement in it, then suddenly people won't need the BCCI anymore to make money. And the BCCI won't go broke because of it - the Indian market will make sure of that - but they will lose their political leverage and their ability to boss everyone around and dictate things on their terms. And that's what they crave.

India is a large country. Only the extremely power hungry are the ones willing to do what it takes to get that power. And it's these people who are going to focus on the slightest possible criticism aimed and them and look to dismiss it from sight.

 

[Borges]

The projected payments from ICC is really not all that significant as far as the BCCI is concerned.

Under the current revenue sharing model, they would receive about USD 51 million per year from the ICC.
Compare this with what they would get from the TV guys: USD 510 million per yer for the IPL + USD 157 million per year for international cricket.

This is probably not about the revenue sharing model at all; it is about the BCCI reminding ICC yet once again as to who is the real boss.

 

[Daemon]

It just reveals what we already know TBH - the BCCI cares about their control over the game, first and foremost. They're all for spreading the game, growing the pie, as long as it is on their terms. If the sport grows too quickly around the world, and without their involvement in it, then suddenly people won't need the BCCI anymore to make money. And the BCCI won't go broke because of it - the Indian market will make sure of that - but they will lose their political leverage and their ability to boss everyone around and dictate things on their terms. And that's what they crave.

India is a large country. Only the extremely power hungry are the ones willing to do what it takes to get that power. And it's these people who are going to focus on the slightest possible criticism aimed and them and look to dismiss it from sight.

Is it a cultural thing? Lots of Indians I know don't take criticism very well and are extremely stubborn. It's definitely an asset at times because people just give in to you. Maybe you need that growing up in India. idk.

 

[cnerd123]

Is it a cultural thing? Lots of Indians I know don't take criticism very well and are extremely stubborn. It's definitely an asset at times because people just give in to you. Maybe you need that growing up in India. idk.

Pretty sure it's a numbers thing - so much competition in India for everything, if you're going to secure any position of power you have to be willing to do drastic things to get it. Being open minded and honest doesn't get you far, because you'll eventually run into someone who is stubborn and vindictive and they will make sure they take you down.

 

[Borges]

There was not even a hint of criticism in the original document.
All that it said was: cricket is not a truly global sport because of heavy dependence on revenues and fans from India.

They could have just pointed out that cricket would never become a truly global sport (like football), no matter what the ICC did.

 

[Daemon]

Pretty sure it's a numbers thing - so much competition in India for everything, if you're going to secure any position of power you have to be willing to do drastic things to get it. Being open minded and honest doesn't get you far, because you'll eventually run into someone who is stubborn and vindictive and they will make sure they take you down.

Which then leads to it becoming a cultural thing.

Pretty sure I wouldn't thrive in India from what little I've experienced. As my mum says "log teri chaddi utar ke le jaayenge aur tujhe pata bhi nahi chalega".

 

[Burgey]

Finally the salient admission that being born in India leads to you being a thin-skinned, vindictive ****. Sometimes a successful, thin-skinned and vindictive ****, but a **** nonetheless.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Holy ****.


This is a hilarious analogy, did India keep paying the rest of the team a salary when they weren't scoring as many runs as Sachin?

The analogy isn't that bad. It just supports the counter-argument to the BCCI position. If reliance on Indian revenue is a weakness for the ICC group, so was team India relying on Tendulkar. But even they had Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman and Ganguly. The ICC does not.

And while the solution includes the rest of the ICC to make more money, just like the rest of the Indian team should make more runs, the ICC has the opportunity to increase the member base, whereas India could only ever have 11 players.

India should not be offended that the Indian-centric revenue is deemed to be a weakness, when BCCI wants lopsided distribution of funds or threaten boycott, in fact, its the obvious and logical reaction. Because no group wants to be able to be 'held to coercion of the will' by 1 member.

But BCCI has their heads in the clouds if they think the rest of the ICC should see their ability to threaten boycott when they don't get what they want, as a strength for the group. If BCCI wants to play real politk successfully it should not be surprised when the rest of the ICC sees this as a weakness for their own interests.

Besides, everyone should be trying to grow the pie anyway. More runs from those playing with Tendulkar, and more players if need be too please.

Dear BCCI,

Every board wants more money. And less likelihood of one party control adversly effecting their will or interests.

Just like every batsman wants more runs. And Clarrie Grimmett didn't like being dropped by Bradman

Put simply, the BCCI super strength is a weakness of the rest and majority of the ICC members. That weakness has already been crystalised in unequal payouts. It is not just a potential weakness, it is a real weakness.

Just like if Tendulkar makes a duck is a problem for the entire India team.