Top 10 Greatest Test Crickters Of All Time

[Slifer]

Apart from national bias, how is Hadlee better than Khan, Richards, Warne?

With the exception of Imran, Hadlee is atleast equivalent in bowling to Warne and ditto Richards (batting vs bowling). But his batting is much better than Warnes and better than Vivs bowling.

I don't think it's that far fetched to rate Sir Richard that highly, he was an outstanding cricketer. Outside of Crowe,he basically carried New Zealand during the 80s and kept them relevant as a test team.

 

[listento_me]

With the exception of Imran, Hadlee is atleast equivalent in bowling to Warne and ditto Richards (batting vs bowling). But his batting is much better than Warnes and better than Vivs bowling.

I don't think it's that far fetched to rate Sir Richard that highly, he was an outstanding cricketer. Outside of Crowe,he basically carried New Zealand during the 80s and kept them relevant as a test team.

Warne more wickets and more important overall to cricket than Hadlee.

Not gonna compare Vivs bowling to Hadlee lol But Viv is regarded unanimously as a one of the top 3 or 4 batsmen ever, Hadlee is not unanimously regarded as one of the top 3 or 4 all rounders of all time.

Hadlee is great, Viv and Warne (and you agree Khan) are all greatER.

Like I said before, it's sorting the wheat from the wheat. We have to look at the slightest margins to see who should be ranked higher. Hadlee is certainly top 20 no arguments from me on that.

 

[smash84]

Warne more wickets and more important overall to cricket than Hadlee.

Not gonna compare Vivs bowling to Hadlee lol But Viv is regarded unanimously as a one of the top 3 or 4 batsmen ever, Hadlee is not unanimously regarded as one of the top 3 or 4 all rounders of all time.

Hadlee is great, Viv and Warne (and you agree Khan) are all greatER.

Like I said before, it's sorting the wheat from the wheat. We have to look at the slightest margins to see who should be ranked higher. Hadlee is certainly top 20 no arguments from me on that.

impossible

 

[Slifer]

Warne more wickets and more important overall to cricket than Hadlee.

Not gonna compare Vivs bowling to Hadlee lol But Viv is regarded unanimously as a one of the top 3 or 4 batsmen ever, Hadlee is not unanimously regarded as one of the top 3 or 4 all rounders of all time.

Hadlee is great, Viv and Warne (and you agree Khan) are all greatER.

Like I said before, it's sorting the wheat from the wheat. We have to look at the slightest margins to see who should be ranked higher. Hadlee is certainly top 20 no arguments from me on that.

Sir Richard really is in the top 5 fast bowlers and his batting puts him above both Warne, viv and for that matter most other specialist as pure cricketers. For impact on the game, yeah I get it, Warne reinvented spin and all his drama. I just feel that had sir Richard been from maybe England his place among cricketers wouldn't even be up for discussion.

Put it this way, would Oz of Warnes time been a champion team without him? I say yes, they certainly were just fine in the months he was suspended for drug use. No way New Zealand would've been a viable team without Hadlee. Replace Hadlee with Warne in the 80s nz team, wouldn't have had as much impact IMO.

 

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Put it this way, would Oz of Warnes time been a champion team without him? I say yes, they certainly were just fine in the months he was suspended for drug use. No way New Zealand would've been a viable team without Hadlee. Replace Hadlee with Warne in the 80s nz team, wouldn't have had as much impact IMO.

I can't get on board with this line of thinking.

It's hardly Warnes fault his career came at a time when Aus had a team chock full of greats. I agree the side would have still been dominant without him but I'm not sure that is a fair yardstick to asses his worth by. Same goes for Hadlee, he was an outstanding ATG cricketer who just happened to play for a reasonably ordinary side........if he had been born elsewhere and played for a more dominant nation and produced the same ridiculously good career it wouldn't make him a lesser cricketer IMO.

 

[Slifer]

Still in terms of pure cricketing skills Hadlee> Warne and most other specialists imo.

 

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Put it this way, would Oz of Warnes time been a champion team without him? I say yes, they certainly were just fine in the months he was suspended for drug use. No way New Zealand would've been a viable team without Hadlee. Replace Hadlee with Warne in the 80s nz team, wouldn't have had as much impact IMO.

This doesn't make much sense. Australia without Warne in that era would have been:

Langer - Hayden - Ponting - Martyn - Clarke - Hussey - Gilchrist - Gillespie - Lee - MacGill - McGrath.

Of course they'd still be a dominant team, because most of the players in that era were greats, and a few were ATGs. It proves nothing in way of comparing Hadlee and Warne.

 

[Zinzan]

No two bowlers in cricket history ever carried their respective sides like Murali and Hadlee did.

 

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No two bowlers in cricket history ever carried their respective sides like Murali and Hadlee did.

Agreed, but how important is that in assessing how good the individual players were? The same gets said often about Lara, is he a greater batsman than Viv because he played in a mostly **** team and carried the batting? If BCL had played in the ATG West Indies sides and produced the same results would he be rated less?

I do think this point gets overstated on occasion.

 

[honestbharani]

Agreed, but how important is that in assessing how good the individual players were? The same gets said often about Lara, is he a greater batsman than Viv because he played in a mostly **** team and carried the batting? If BCL had played in the ATG West Indies sides and produced the same results would he be rated less?

I do think this point gets overstated on occasion.

With the batting at least, I think it matters. Its hard work coz no matter what the situation is, you will always get the best bowlers to face when you walk in, simply coz of the **** talent otherwise around you.

 

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Agreed, but how important is that in assessing how good the individual players were? The same gets said often about Lara, is he a greater batsman than Viv because he played in a mostly **** team and carried the batting? If BCL had played in the ATG West Indies sides and produced the same results would he be rated less?

I do think this point gets overstated on occasion.

This is true. It's probably easier to play in a better team as a bowler, having the support from the other end creates more chances for you, but alternately guys in weaker teams probably take more wickets per test because they bowl more.

I'm not sure why we're debating Warne v. Hadlee here, but if you replaced Hadlee with Warne in the NZ sides Hadlee played in, Warne would be as important as Hadlee IMO. Go back to the 2005 Ashes when McGrath was out and we were struggling. Tait, Lee and Kaspa weren't exactly killing it, but Warne nearly bowled us to victory in that 4th test. If Aust even had another 50 runs on the board I would have backed Warne to bowl us to victory. God his will to win was strong.

None of this denigrates Hadlee btw. I think Hadlee is absolutely elite, and I wouldn't disagree if someone said he's the greatest quick of all time. It's just weird to rate people on how good or poor their teams were.

 

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Just thinking of an XI now of players who were known to carry a weak team:


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George Headley
Brian Lara
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Richard Hadlee
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Murali

 

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Allan Border

 

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George Headley
Brian Lara
Allan Border
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Richard Hadlee
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Murali

 

[OverratedSanity]

Andy Flower obv

 

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George Headley
Brian Lara
Allan Border
Andy Flower +
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Richard Hadlee
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Murali

 

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Probably Shakib too

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George Headley
Brian Lara
Allan Border
Andy Flower +
Shakib Al Hasan
Richard Hadlee
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Murali

 

[Adders]

Danny V would be a good shout if you want a second spinner.

 

[Adders]

How crap were India when Gavaskar was playing?

 

[OverratedSanity]

How crap were India when Gavaskar was playing?

Had Kapil and the spin quartet. Carried the batting though.

Also holds the record for most opening batting partners throughout his career. Makes England's Wheel look tame.