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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    Interesting decision... he has played for 7 seasons so he probably doing alright on money front.... he mentions personal reasons. Maybe burnt out, he has been under the microscope recently? Maybe a chance to work on his technique for England tour?
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    It seems like he wants to focus on the England series. It certainly is interesting because is this a decision made by himself or has he been made aware that he needs to step up as a senior player ?
    I guess, but there is no more first class games in SA isnt it. Unless its just rest or maybe he can wangle himself into a county side
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    It seems like he wants to focus on the England series. It certainly is interesting because is this a decision made by himself or has he been made aware that he needs to step up as a senior player ?
    I think its probably a combination he knows he is under pressure and somebody has also probably taken him aside by now and said something.... or he may just need time for himself away from the game.
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    So basically out of our contracted players : Duminy, Bavuma, Behardien, Maharaj, Steyn, Morkel, Parnell, Phehlukwayo have no cricket planned until England. Hopefully time to get County deals for some. Certain others not in Champs Trophy squad like Bavuma & Maharaj may play in 'A' series.

    The 'A' squad should be easy.

    Heino Kuhn
    Aiden Markram
    Theunis de Bruyn
    Reeza Hendricks
    Khaya Zondo
    Vaughn van Jaarsveld
    JJ Smuts

    Heinrich Klaasen (wk)
    Rudi Second (wk)
    Mangaliso Mosehle (wk)

    Dane Piedt

    Duanne Olivier
    Dwaine Pretorius
    Lungi Ngidi
    Dane Paterson
    Beuran Hendricks


    It is an alright squad. Will need to add a limited overs spinner (Leie, von Berg, Fortuin as Phangiso is washed up). Probably have to take Second as probably amongst our best 4-day batsman so a few keepers to go. Mosehle as limited overs keeper. Paterson and B.Hendricks for now until some of the younger quicks are fit and ready.
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    This was Nicky Boje on Second missing out to Klaasen

    ‘Second unlucky to miss out on NZ tour’
    by Fanie Heyns 09 March 2017, 14:15

    ‘Forgotten man, discarded and falling into oblivion’ are some of the words or phrases that every South African cricketer dreads.

    And judging by the way Rudi Second has performed in propelling the VKB Knights to the Sunfoil Series crown this season, as well as his aggression in the Momentum One-Day Cup campaign, it would seem that all those words apply.

    But Nicky BojÚ, a former South African spinner and Second’s coach at the VKB Knights, says the wicketkeeper-batsman is still in the selectors’ thoughts.

    “He was definitely in the running (as second wicketkeeper of the South African test team). In my book, it was a close call. In fact, I think he can be disappointed he was not selected,” the coach said.

    Apart from his average of 52.61 in the Sunfoil Series, Second was comfortably the most successful wicketkeeper statistically, finishing with 47 wickets, 10 more than Heinrich Klaasen.

    BojÚ says in the Momentum One Day Cup campaign, Second hammered a 75 and averages 39.20, but the lack of more consistency with the blade by the top-seven has been one of the problem areas for the VKB Knights.

    “If we want to come close to winning the series, we must be much more consistent. In the Sunfoil Series, you need eight to nine players to confirm consistently, which we managed. In the CSA T20 Challenge, you require three players to produce the goods.”

    “In the Momentum One-Day Cup series, four to six players must perform excellently,” he said.

    Second averages 46.86 in domestic one-day cricket.

    BojÚ says Second is a no-thrills player. He works meticulously at his arts of batting and wicket-keeping.

    “He loves batting and he enjoys spending an extended time at the crease. And that is why he has performed so well. That was a reason why Jacques Kallis was so excellent. He simply adored batting for long periods.”

    “Second also grafts very hard to improve his ability with the gloves,” he mentioned.

    “I would say he can represent South Africa A right now, even if it is purely as a batsman. He is that good. I would think he should be playing for South Africa A against England A in the South African off-season,” he added.

    Second is more philosophical and sanguine about the reasons for being out of the international limelight.

    He alluded to the fact that he might have botched his chances to knock on the national door by not grabbing his opportunities in the South African A team against the England Lions in 2014/2015.

    “I did not score enough runs. I managed 27 and an unbeaten 27. I also did not have the best outings with the gloves in that series,” he added.

    Since then, he has improved markedly and if being given the opportunities, he would definitely utilize them.

    His great challenge is to perform with distinction in the next five Momentum One-Day Cup clashes to make the selectors aware of his form with the bat and the gloves, he said.


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    Daryll Cullinan being his usual self.

    Says JP needs to f**k off and Quinnie needs to move up to 4.

    And why is Morkel opening the bowling and not KG who is already a more complete bowler than Morne.

    Holds nothing back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Daryll Cullinan being his usual self.

    Says JP needs to f**k off and Quinnie needs to move up to 4.

    And why is Morkel opening the bowling and not KG who is already a more complete bowler than Morne.

    Holds nothing back.
    Sigh Cullinan

    I am not a big fan, I remember when he played for Province and his way of fielding is sticking out a hand and hoping for the best. Let many a boundary through with that technique

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heboric View Post
    Sigh Cullinan

    I am not a big fan, I remember when he played for Province and his way of fielding is sticking out a hand and hoping for the best. Let many a boundary through with that technique
    I've always had a soft spot for him - he was our best batsman in the 1990s, and he also had some fight. If he hadn't played in the same era as Warne he would be remembered as one of our best players.

    But he does like to shoot his mouth off, and I believe he got into some financial difficulties a few years ago.

    I bumped into him in Exclusive Books in Sandton a few years ago and I told him he was one of my favourite players growing up, and he was very friendly and gracious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius View Post
    I've always had a soft spot for him - he was our best batsman in the 1990s, and he also had some fight. If he hadn't played in the same era as Warne he would be remembered as one of our best players.
    Yeah, his record against Australia doesn't make pretty reading. He averaged 12.75 against them and 4.42 in Australia. Although he was just as bad against Zimbabwe - averaging 12.66 against them and 5.50 in Zim.
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    Loved watching Cullinan in full flow. Played well v everyone bar Australia really. Loved India and Newlands. But always remember his class innings when Devon Malcolm went mental at the Oval.

    In many ways him and Gibbs are similar. Both can be perceived to have prickly personalities. Both were teenage prodigy's who debuted at 16 in FC cricket. Both were stroke-makers who despite averaging in the 40's in test cricket may have under-achieved considering their natural talent.
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    Domingo seems calm over our batting line-up

    Standard Bank Proteas coach Russell Domingo believes his squad remains a ‘work in progress’ despite the success in the current test match series against New Zealand.

    The Proteas hold a crucial 1-0 lead going into the final match starting at Seddon Park in Hamilton on Saturday, and have identified key areas to tweak as they look to maintain their unbeaten series record in New Zealand.

    The bowlers earned full marks following their performance in Wellington, and will take the confidence of performing on any surface into the unknown conditions expected for the final match. An area of concern for the coach has been some of the batting form, which has been inconsistent throughout the series.

    “All batting units at international level will always have one player that is struggling for form,” Domingo said in Hamilton on Wednesday. “That is okay, you can’t rely on one player, that is why it’s a batting unit, that is why it’s a team. The team has to try and help those players get out of those slumps.

    “Every player has been in those slumps,” he added. “We have two or three players who are feeling that pressure at the moment and that is a concern. It’s always easier to have one but if you have two or three who are searching for form and runs it does become a bit more challenging.

    “We are fortunate that some guys are in good form; Dean Elgar, Temba Bavuma, Quinton de Kock and Faf du Plessis, they are all in good touch and it is helping the cause.”

    A series win will be another feather in the team’s successful record this season, which has been highlighted by an away series win against Australia and a 3-0 series whitewash at home to Sri Lanka.

    Success this week will also be another step towards rebuilding the test team’s proud away record, after the nine-year unbeaten streak was broken by India in 2015.

    “We have lost one series away from home in the last 10 years,” Domingo said. “The one in India was the one we lost. The side takes a lot of pride in how well we travel. They (players) enjoy each other’s company; enjoy seeing new countries. That is one of the main ingredients for why we travel well and play good cricket, the guys enjoy being together.

    “It’s a massive feat for this side to come here being 1-0 up with one to play,” he added. “We know it’s not done yet, New Zealand are a quality side and we are going to have to be at our best to beat them.”

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    the thing that the south africans have done over the years is have someone always stand up to save their rear shelves, something australia haven't really had the luxury of over a prolonged period of time lately

    just look at what bavuma did last test when his spot was under question and the team was 94/6, and even what say maharaj and the vern did in perth, so domingo's got reason to pick and stick
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Loved watching Cullinan in full flow. Played well v everyone bar Australia really. Loved India and Newlands. But always remember his class innings when Devon Malcolm went mental at the Oval.

    In many ways him and Gibbs are similar. Both can be perceived to have prickly personalities. Both were teenage prodigy's who debuted at 16 in FC cricket. Both were stroke-makers who despite averaging in the 40's in test cricket may have under-achieved considering their natural talent.
    Yes, that's true.

    But apart from both being prickly characters, but there was clearly no love lost between the two of them, as Gibbs's autobiography makes very clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Loved watching Cullinan in full flow. Played well v everyone bar Australia really. Loved India and Newlands. But always remember his class innings when Devon Malcolm went mental at the Oval.

    In many ways him and Gibbs are similar. Both can be perceived to have prickly personalities. Both were teenage prodigy's who debuted at 16 in FC cricket. Both were stroke-makers who despite averaging in the 40's in test cricket may have under-achieved considering their natural talent.
    Also, this hundred against SL when Murali was bowling hand grenades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shady Slim View Post
    the thing that the south africans have done over the years is have someone always stand up to save their rear shelves, something australia haven't really had the luxury of over a prolonged period of time lately

    just look at what bavuma did last test when his spot was under question and the team was 94/6, and even what say maharaj and the vern did in perth, so domingo's got reason to pick and stick
    Suppose that is the beauty of test cricket as a team is tested more as a unit like he is saying there.

    Like for anything, the resolve will be tested with a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius View Post
    Yes, that's true.

    But apart from both being prickly characters, but there was clearly no love lost between the two of them, as Gibbs's autobiography makes very clear.
    Gibbs was my favourite to watch but I found it hard to have any respect for him and the autobiography ripping into everybody really was the final straw.

    Never read it. What sort of things were said of Cullinan and co.

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