My All Time Test and ODI XI

[Zinzan]

Asking for 10 overs out of Symonds might be too much

Way too much. Much better selecting someone like a Flintoff in the middle order, who wasn't quite Symonds with the bat, but was far far better with the ball.

 

[mr_mister]

Symonds and Viv can easily generate 10 overs between them

 

[NZTailender]

Tendulkar has like what 100-200 ODI wickets too?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Tendulkar has like what 100-200 ODI wickets too?

He our 9th highest odi wicket taker or something.

 

[harsh.ag]

Plus he was gun with the ball.

 

[mr_mister]

took em at 45 runs a piece tho

 

[harsh.ag]

took em at 45 runs a piece tho

You godless stats monger.

 

[Zinzan]

Symonds and Viv can easily generate 10 overs between them

Tendulkar has like what 100-200 ODI wickets too?

Still be a gimme 10 overs for top opposition imho, so why not if choosing your best ODI side, include 50 really good overs as opposed to 40 and 10 rather easy ones... replace Symonds with Flintoff or Kapil Dev and you don't lose much with the batting but gain heaps in your bowling..

 

[Adders]

Yeah agree with Zinzan here........you can't rely on 10 overs of part time filth when you're naming an ATG side ffs.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah, 50 specialist overs are basically a must for a team like that.

 

[watson]

Don't have an issue with playing 2 x Part-Time bowlers like Jayasuriyah and Symonds because they were reasonably OK. If Symonds has a 'bad day' then Jayasuriyah bowls a few more overs to compensate, and vice versa.

But opening with Gilchrist and then having 2 x Bowling Allrounders at 7 and 8 seems like a stronger option to me. Kapil Dev and Imran spring to mind.

But then again, you should always overload the batting if possible for a ODI side, so maybe Dhoni and an Allrounder like Flintoff is the better option. Test cricket is more about taking wickets, but ODIs are more about piling on the runs. And these days, if your last 5 wickets can't chase down 100 runs in the last 10-12 overs then the tail is all wrong.

Working on Red Hill's theme of Tendulkar and Lara opening;

01. Sachin Tendulkar
02. Brian Lara
03. Virat Kohli
04. Viv Richards
05. AB de Villiers
06. Andrew Flintoff
07. MS Dhoni
08. Richard Hadlee
09. Wasim Akram
10. Mutiah Muralitharan
11. Joel Garner


Whether you choose Garner or McGrath doesn't matter a whole lot I reckon.

 

[Zinzan]

Test cricket is more about taking wickets, but ODIs are more about piling on the runs.

Sure, but ODIs are no more about 'piling on the runs' as 'denying the opposition runs'. Symonds was handy but generally pretty hittable, whether he was bowling seam-ups or spin, Jayasuriya however, in SC conditions was a genuine 5th bowling option IMO and not a part-timer.

 

[Adders]

Don't have an issue with playing 2 x Part-Time bowlers like Jayasuriyah and Symonds because they were reasonably OK. If one has a 'bad day' then the other bowls a few more overs to compensate.

.

Cos that's what every ATG side should be......."reasonably OK"

 

[OverratedSanity]

Cos that's what every ATG side should be......."reasonably OK"

He's saying guys like Jayasuriya provide an excellent backup option in case one specialist bowler has a bad day
He's right imo. Need a contingency plan and Jayasuriya and Symonds are good choices.

 

[Zinzan]

01. Sachin Tendulkar
02. Brian Lara
03. Virat Kohli
04. Viv Richards
05. AB de Villiers
06. Andrew Flintoff
07. MS Dhoni
08. Richard Hadlee
09. Wasim Akram
10. Mutiah Muralitharan
11. Joel Garner

Wouldn't quite be my XI, but no major complaints. All bases covered even if a little shy of left-handed bats in the top 7.

 

[Shri]

ODIs:

S Tendulkar
H Amla
V Richards
V Kohli
M Dhoni
Ab de Villiers
S Watson
S Pollock
R Hadlee
M Muralitharan
G McGrath

12th man: D Vettori

Probably the most economical set of bowlers ever assembled and that batting talent down to 9 should always come in handy.

 

[Adders]

He's saying guys like Jayasuriya provide an excellent backup option in case one specialist bowler has a bad day
He's right imo. Need a contingency plan and Jayasuriya and Symonds are good choices.

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Check his edit.......he's saying having 2 part timers is good because if one of them is off song then the other takes up his overs.

It's an ATG side so I want 50 overs bowled by ATG bowlers, not part timers. There are enough genuine bowling allrounders to choose from that Symonds should not be in this conversation.

 

[Zinzan]

Yeah, my impression was Watson was justifying Jayasuriya & Symonds as sharing 5th bowler duties, not being a 6th or 7th option as cover. In the latter capacity they'd be obviously be handy.

 

[harsh.ag]

It's not an ODI side without 10 overs of part time bowling. Fact.

 

[Zinzan]

01. Sachin Tendulkar
02. Brian Lara
03. Virat Kohli
04. Viv Richards
05. AB de Villiers
06. Andrew Flintoff
07. MS Dhoni
08. Richard Hadlee
09. Wasim Akram
10. Mutiah Muralitharan
11. Joel Garner

ODIs:

S Tendulkar
H Amla
V Richards
V Kohli
M Dhoni
Ab de Villiers
S Watson
S Pollock
R Hadlee
M Muralitharan
G McGrath

12th man: D Vettori

Probably the most economical set of bowlers ever assembled and that batting talent down to 9 should always come in handy.

As a Kiwi I'm loving the inclusion of Hadlee in these XIs, but if I was honest I'd probably have McGrath ahead of him in Watson's and Akram ahead of him in Shri's. But he's definitely not far off.