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***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2016/17

sonnench

U19 12th Man
I find it amazing that there are so many Saffers in our domestic mix, then with Wagner, Elliott, Watling in the national side and anyone else I'm not thinking of straight away, but there are next to none in rugby - which is an equal if not stronger code in SA. Can't understand why they come and play cricket, but generally don't come and play rugby. Only one I can think of is Greg Rawlinson but again he was purely for rugby, not for a better life as a young person.
I think this will gradually change and increase in time. I guess it comes down to money and talent. If you're a South African leaving because you're struggling to crack the top side, you almost have no chance to cracking it in NZ. Never mind the fact there is even less money there. Rather go to France for example, more money and greater chance of higher honours.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, I guess my wonderment is why guys like Hicksy, Manu, Cachopas etc come over here and thrive through the school system, but there's no one coming through the school system with rugby. My old area (Howick) and the North Shore in Auckland are massive African populations. That's very much represented (and actually over represented) in cricket but as I say, non existent in rugby.

Speaking of which, 140 for Hicks in club cricket today and 114 for Andrew de Lorder (plus 50 odd to Dale Phillips, Glenn P's younger brother).
 

sonnench

U19 12th Man
Yeah, I guess my wonderment is why guys like Hicksy, Manu, Cachopas etc come over here and thrive through the school system, but there's no one coming through the school system with rugby. My old area (Howick) and the North Shore in Auckland are massive African populations. That's very much represented (and actually over represented) in cricket but as I say, non existent in rugby.

Speaking of which, 140 for Hicks in club cricket today and 114 for Andrew de Lorder (plus 50 odd to Dale Phillips, Glenn P's younger brother).
Oh right. That's an interesting point for sure. I mean, there are a few coming through or who already have come through the school system eg. Ricky Riccitelli, Wes Goosen, Reg Goodes off the top of my head.

Obviously not the same numbers as cricket. But again, I think it will improve in time as well. I too spent a few years on the shore and the few friends I had from howick were African.
 

sonnench

U19 12th Man
Just realised those 3 I mentioned are all from Wellington and the Hurricanes system. There should be more from the Blues. But their youth set up and judging of talent is horrible anyway.
 

Blocky

Banned
If only our most promising pace bowler and all rounder wasn't a fan of the struggle cuddle, we might put together a decent line up for the summer.
 

Zinzan

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I find it amazing that there are so many Saffers in our domestic mix, then with Wagner, Elliott, Watling in the national side and anyone else I'm not thinking of straight away, but there are next to none in rugby - which is an equal if not stronger code in SA. Can't understand why they come and play cricket, but generally don't come and play rugby. Only one I can think of is Greg Rawlinson but again he was purely for rugby, not for a better life as a young person.
You really find this all that amazing?

NZ has the biggest talent pool of rugby players in the world, so to come here from SA to make it at even provincial level, let alone international is both incredibly difficult and competitive.

Meanwhile, SA has a far bigger talent pool of cricketers compared to NZ.

Promising SA rugby talents would have a far better chance of making in Australia than NZ, just like promising SA cricket talents would have a fat better chance of making it NZ than Australia. I can't even think of a SA born cricketer making it in the Australia domestic game in the last couple of years, although I'm sure there'll be a couple.
 

Blocky

Banned
It's actually a question of coaching efficacy.

In New Zealand Cricket, very few youth are being coached in the right way by someone who encourages the right technique, plans and patterns of play. Arguably, the first time these guys receive any captaincy is when they've made their age group teams and by then it's either too late to change massive flaws in technique, or the coaches they have at provincial level aren't good enough. Most of the time rep players are those that naturally stood out rather than worked hard, and in some instances are only rep players because they went to the right school

In New Zealand Rugby, all youth have a coach that understands the game, most high schools regardless of where they're at have specialist back/forward coaches who can teach the technique as well as mental skills required to dominate in the game and by the time they make representative squads, they're only in need of a touch of polish to take themselves further, they've also climbed to the top tier both through a mixture of athletics and work ethic. A lot of rural schools contribute to the All Blacks because of this.

In South Africa, academies and such for cricket are much more prevalent, coaches are at a much higher standard and the expectation put on younger players around how they play their cricket is much higher. In Rugby, they still have good coaching, but not to the level of NZ.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
It's actually a question of coaching efficacy.

In New Zealand Cricket, very few youth are being coached in the right way by someone who encourages the right technique, plans and patterns of play. Arguably, the first time these guys receive any captaincy is when they've made their age group teams and by then it's either too late to change massive flaws in technique, or the coaches they have at provincial level aren't good enough. Most of the time rep players are those that naturally stood out rather than worked hard, and in some instances are only rep players because they went to the right school

In New Zealand Rugby, all youth have a coach that understands the game, most high schools regardless of where they're at have specialist back/forward coaches who can teach the technique as well as mental skills required to dominate in the game and by the time they make representative squads, they're only in need of a touch of polish to take themselves further, they've also climbed to the top tier both through a mixture of athletics and work ethic. A lot of rural schools contribute to the All Blacks because of this.

In South Africa, academies and such for cricket are much more prevalent, coaches are at a much higher standard and the expectation put on younger players around how they play their cricket is much higher. In Rugby, they still have good coaching, but not to the level of NZ.
 

Blocky

Banned
Your absence has certainly been a highlight of the forums in the last year or so.
More like three, but I know time seems much shorter for you considering how much you miss having a reasoned intelligent presence in the forum.
 

Howsie

International Captain
Going back a few pages on Blundell v Seifert, I wonder how far away Cleaver would be with regards to higher honors. He would probably need another good season this year but I've always liked the look of him, far more than Blundell anyway. If you have a spare couple of minutes check out the highlights in his 50 today, total class. He played two back foot punches off Neesham through cover point that you just don't see from a lot of players at this level. He then flicked him off his legs with total disdain for six. Hit Duffy for six too with a cracking pull shot from a ball that wasn't really that short.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Comically low-scoring game about to rap up between ND and Canty. Sodhi winning the cackspinner battle by getting Tastle out caught on the boundary from a dirty half tracker.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Comically low-scoring game about to rap up between ND and Canty. Sodhi winning the cackspinner battle by getting Tastle out caught on the boundary from a dirty half tracker.
Payback for Tastle doing the same to him last season, I suppose.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
A captain's knock in both inning from Devcich. First dig, races along at a strike rate of 140 mid-collapse and holes out when grinding out more runs probably would have been helpful, and a comical caught behind dismissal to Engine Room Ellis in the second.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
You really find this all that amazing?

NZ has the biggest talent pool of rugby players in the world, so to come here from SA to make it at even provincial level, let alone international is both incredibly difficult and competitive.

Meanwhile, SA has a far bigger talent pool of cricketers compared to NZ.

Promising SA rugby talents would have a far better chance of making in Australia than NZ, just like promising SA cricket talents would have a fat better chance of making it NZ than Australia. I can't even think of a SA born cricketer making it in the Australia domestic game in the last couple of years, although I'm sure there'll be a couple.
Yeah, fair point. Although SA breed fairly decent rugby players as well, with the right sort of physical capabilities to make it over here. So I remain surprised at least some haven't come through. Maybe that's to come in the future generations.
 

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